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... unless that woman is a Rosa Lichtenstein. If she is, u betta aks somebody

Atla wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 3:39 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:06 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:17 am At least women are loved. The number one desire of men is to be loved back, but no one loves men. So no, men can't have what they want, unless they are gay or emotionally retarded.

Men are loved.

If only they knew how much they are loved, how much they are appreciated and adored. They are magnificent strong human beings. Look at what they have done for the human species. Look at the amazing life humans have built for themselves, since leaving the cave days of sticks and stones and clubs.

Truly amazing people are men. Everyone is in debt to their relentless hard work of building human societies and cities. If it were not for men, we'd still be living in caves, with clubs, and sticks and stones. Women love men for all they have done to build this modern world, please never forget that. I thank God they exist, they are beautiful beyond belief. They take my breath away to be perfectly honest.

Yeah but that's not love, that's gratefulness.

How does a woman go about loving a man then? According to you, you think women don’t love men. I disagree of course.

I believe a woman loves a man like she loves her own child, or mother and father.

I’m stunned you believe women don’t love men.

BuzzCap7 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 1:09 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 8:52 am

BuzzCap7 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 3:29 pm
You are very welcome. And what you said above is very well put.

Mark

Thankyou for recognising your own soul.

If people only learnt how to love, to truly love, without fear, life would be much more bearable on this earth.

I strongly believe that all of us are just pure love at heart, and would love nothing more than to share their love with another. But sadly, a lot of people do not know what agape love is, and how it is a real love that stays and never leaves, it fixes, and never throws away.

Real true love is possible, but first, one has to navigate through the doors of hell, to reach their final destination which is heaven. Most people I've known give up while in the hell part, because they are unable to understand the dark and light side of every human personality, it's as if they only prefer one side of them while rejecting the other. But for those people, who reject the darkness, is simply their loss. Those people never find the light at the end of the dark tunnel, they simply fear to go through it, never ever getting to see the other side of the deal.

The point is, no one said it was going to be easy, just that it would be worth it. But people are weak, and that will never change, so it seems.

It appears to me, you just summed up why we are here on earth.

It is a journey. Together, but we take equally journey (grow) separately and at different rates.. Patience.

If I might add, it is an interesting journey such that, you may have the answer on a matter but until the other person (people) are ready to hear it, it just sounds like prose.

Mark

I like how you think. It’s mature, intelligent and enlightening.

Some people are just not as far along the path as others, so to work, most relationships need to be in sync spiritually, and part of my failure to meet the right person has been because each of us have been at very different stages of spiritual evolution. Ive done my homework, I’ve worked hard to get to the stage where I am at now. I’ve always been further along the path than most people, not meaning to be blowing my own trumpet but it’s just a fact. I can’t seem to relate to unenlightened people anymore. I am a nondualist and it’s not an easy message to hear, so I have problems finding people who can meet me at that level of understanding the nondual spirit.

There are loads of enlightened people making YouTube videos. I am aware that all these people are willing to be contactable. In fact I can make contact with people like this anytime I want. That’s ideal for me anyway, to make connections with like minded people.

Thanks for your comments, I enjoy reading comments from people like you. People who are awakened to the dream of separation.

Thanks

Iwannaplato. I’ll answer your post tomorrow, I’m busy right now.

I’ve read your response, and thanks for delving into this subject topic. The quest to find the true meaning of the word LOVE is my ultimate goal in life, it is my passion.

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 6:27 pm How does a woman go about loving a man then? According to you, you think women don’t love men. I disagree of course.

I believe a woman loves a man like she loves her own child, or mother and father.

I’m stunned you believe women don’t love men.

How does a woman go about loving a man? She doesn't. Adult romantic love is a male emotion. Women use the word 'love', and women are collectively oblivious that they mean something else by it than men.

Men just naturally assume that women feel the same thing, they are tricked by evolution to totally believe it. That's what keeps them going, makes life worth living. The illusion works until they turn 30 or so, which was the prehistoric life expectancy. Dumb men are luckier though, they can't see through illusions.

Atla wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 8:18 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 6:27 pm How does a woman go about loving a man then? According to you, you think women don’t love men. I disagree of course.

I believe a woman loves a man like she loves her own child, or mother and father.

I’m stunned you believe women don’t love men.

How does a woman go about loving a man? She doesn't. Adult romantic love is a male emotion. Women use the word 'love', and women are collectively oblivious that they mean something else by it than men.

Men just naturally assume that women feel the same thing, they are tricked by evolution to totally believe it. That's what keeps them going, makes life worth living. The illusion works until they turn 30 or so, which was the prehistoric life expectancy. Dumb men are luckier though, they can't see through illusions.

Where the hell do you get that idea? How do you know what women feel?



The misogyny is strong in this one...

But yes, I suppose women were too busy dying in childbirth, dying from abortion attempts, coping with pregnancy after pregnancy and death after death of her children, to have time for writing love-sick poetry and songs....

accelafine wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 10:09 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 8:18 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 6:27 pm How does a woman go about loving a man then? According to you, you think women don’t love men. I disagree of course.

I believe a woman loves a man like she loves her own child, or mother and father.

I’m stunned you believe women don’t love men.

How does a woman go about loving a man? She doesn't. Adult romantic love is a male emotion. Women use the word 'love', and women are collectively oblivious that they mean something else by it than men.

Men just naturally assume that women feel the same thing, they are tricked by evolution to totally believe it. That's what keeps them going, makes life worth living. The illusion works until they turn 30 or so, which was the prehistoric life expectancy. Dumb men are luckier though, they can't see through illusions.

Where the hell do you get that idea? How do you know what women feel?



The misogyny is strong in this one...

No it isn't, you're pretty dumb though.

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2024 3:32 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 10:09 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 8:18 pm
How does a woman go about loving a man? She doesn't. Adult romantic love is a male emotion. Women use the word 'love', and women are collectively oblivious that they mean something else by it than men.

Men just naturally assume that women feel the same thing, they are tricked by evolution to totally believe it. That's what keeps them going, makes life worth living. The illusion works until they turn 30 or so, which was the prehistoric life expectancy. Dumb men are luckier though, they can't see through illusions.

Where the hell do you get that idea? How do you know what women feel?



The misogyny is strong in this one...

No it isn't, you're pretty dumb though.

Watch out or the irony will crap on your head as it flies past.

accelafine wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2024 3:49 am

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2024 3:32 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 10:09 pm

Where the hell do you get that idea? How do you know what women feel?



The misogyny is strong in this one...

No it isn't, you're pretty dumb though.

Watch out or the irony will crap on your head as it flies past.

Oh please explain the irony, I don't think you can.

Atla wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 8:18 pm How does a woman go about loving a man? She doesn't. Adult romantic love is a male emotion. Women use the word 'love', and women are collectively oblivious that they mean something else by it than men.

Men just naturally assume that women feel the same thing, they are tricked by evolution to totally believe it. That's what keeps them going, makes life worth living. The illusion works until they turn 30 or so, which was the prehistoric life expectancy. Dumb men are luckier though, they can't see through illusions.

Love is an emotion yes. But it's still real, it exists, just as pain exists, just as feelings, and thoughts exist. Even though these emotions, feelings and thoughts, are simply abstract concepts. These concepts are still known without doubt or error, they are real within the dream of separation.

Feelings, emotions, or any sentient reaction to stimuli are all real within the law of attraction. Even animals like cats and dogs exhibit a preference to love as opposed to negative aggression.

Perhaps men just refuse to believe they are loved by women just as they love women. Even if evolution tricked sentient creature into a life worth living, that trick is still real and tangible, the love albeit illusory is still convincingly real, and felt. Love reigns supreme, and will always win the battle of good verse evil because love is king. Love is what survives eternally while everything else that is not love, will die. Love never dies, and everything that is not love is synonymous with death. And notice life does not wish to die, life desires to live, because that's the power of love.

Just like how gravity works, the 'law' of gravity works flawlessly without any human intervention, without any human needing to think about it. So the same goes for the law of attraction, we only attract what we are. If we are love, we will attract love, if we are hate, we will attract hate. But even a hater is love, because the person being hated, was once loved by the hater. We forge relationships with others in the desire to love, not hate, and that's because love is all there is. It's the dominant immutable force behind all successful life. And it is successful as no one so far as witnessed the total destruction of all life on earth and within the universe. So love is self-evidently real, and true, it's so intimately you, closer than the nose on your face.

If nature, or evolution tricked us ...that trick is still real, it is still tangible and authentic, even if it is an illusion, part of the illusion is to make the illusion seem real. And since we are here right now discussing the illusion, then that is a sure sign the illusion is working it's magic, imagine that, here now there is an illusion discussing the illusory nature of itself. Now that is a super intelligent divine trick, if ever there was one. And what's even more remarkable and more magical, is when you realise upon awakening from the dream of separation, the trick is none other than a trickless trick. Now that's a miracle right there, something we cannot conjure up ourselves, for we are the trick, all one, all alone, and it's love, unconditionally free, boundless, and unlimited.

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2024 3:32 am No it isn't, you're pretty dumb though.

Stop playing the dumb role then. You are projecting the role you are playing as if someone else is playing it. That's dumb, don't be dumb.


You are pure super intelligent aliveness the light of the world. You are not a shadow. The shadow is simply the illusory absence of light, because without light, no shadow can exist, while light is the immutable dominance of all life on earth. And yes, all things start their life in darkness, but cannot survive there forever, and must push their way toward the light to survive, life is a pushing force. Therefore, gravity is a pushing force, it does not pull or drag you along into life, it propels you into life. You have no resistance against this pushing force, because you are it, you desire it out of LOVE for yourself. That's the gravity of love.

Things always work out without a you being there. Life is like a driverless car. You are the driverless car, the dream bus is being driven by you, the one and only one. Tag, you're IT

Resistance is futile. Try negating existence. Experiencing the absence of existence. The absence of sense, feeling, emotion, thought. It cannot be done by you, because it is you.

Atla wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 3:39 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:06 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:17 am At least women are loved. The number one desire of men is to be loved back, but no one loves men. So no, men can't have what they want, unless they are gay or emotionally retarded.

Men are loved.

If only they knew how much they are loved, how much they are appreciated and adored. They are magnificent strong human beings. Look at what they have done for the human species. Look at the amazing life humans have built for themselves, since leaving the cave days of sticks and stones and clubs.

Truly amazing people are men. Everyone is in debt to their relentless hard work of building human societies and cities. If it were not for men, we'd still be living in caves, with clubs, and sticks and stones. Women love men for all they have done to build this modern world, please never forget that. I thank God they exist, they are beautiful beyond belief. They take my breath away to be perfectly honest.

Yeah but that's not love, that's gratefulness.

It has been proven that gratitude can lead to more socially inclusive behaviour, and it can go on to play a pivotal role in forming and maintaining relations.

Gratitude may be one of the most overlooked tools for increasing happiness. Research shows it is the single most powerful method of increasing happiness.

Why be grateful?...THE ANSWER IS Because we are LOVE

Gratitude and love are indeed closely connected. Love often fosters a sense of appreciation and thankfulness, making it easier to feel and express gratitude. However, some might argue that gratitude can also arise from recognising the positive aspects of life, even in the absence of love.

Positivity is loving. Negativity is repelled, it is not loving.
Love can never repel love, anything that is not love, is repelled. This is obvious, because that love is who you are in essence, all love for others is not coming from them, it's coming from you, you are the source of all your projections. You are the LIGHT, the projector and the screen.
And that right there, could just as well be the trinity the Christians talk about. However, one cannot know they are the LIGHT, because there is only the LIGHT, you are the LIGHT, and there is only one of you, not two. < That's nonduality.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 11:46 amI just think given the nature of reality and the suffering that's gone on for so long and the gap between men and women, there's gonna be some struggle.

I agree, but only in the sense of not knowing thy true self, does conflict arise between the two complimentary opposites that must exist for life to be in complete and total balance. The self is just not about the sense of I am-ness, it's everything else too. Like it's how the whole mechanism of life is working harmoniously and efficiently and effortlessly right now, and no human being is part of that invisible process. The grass is growing all by itself and so is the human being, all effortless carried by love.

Getting back to the dream of separation, within the dream, I do believe men today in modern society are having a difficult time with women.

The modern woman has evolved to such a degree, that presently today, she has no requirement for a man anymore. She is financially independent, she can make her own money, be her own CEO, can raise children on her own, and can go to a sperm bank and even have the opportunity to select the perfect male sperm, one that has come from good breeding stock, that's if she chooses to want a baby. She doesn't need to be in a stereo typical relationship with a man anymore, not in this modern day times. She can develop a good happy life for herself and her children, and no man never has to be involved in any of that life style choice.

Men today, are being made redundant by women. It's sad, but true, and the men I think are blaming the women for treating them with disrespect, when all the women are doing is just realising they don't actually need a man in their life anymore, to be happy, and successful in life.

Stats, have also proven that women are the smarter of the species, they are more mature, both emotionally and academically. In fact only women bleed, and that's what has made them strong, they've had to be strong, because it takes a very strong person to raise a child alone. And most women do raise their children alone today, it's easier.

I'm not excluding men here, they too sometimes have to take on the sole role of parenthood. And as a person myself who has raised 4 children alone, I know what I am talking about when I say you need to be a strong person to do it, I did it, so I know what I am talking about.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 11:46 am I think intuition is needed here and I think intuition can improve.
There's a lot of right brain in all this, emotions, desires, tolerance for temporary chaos feelings. And then in my case I have to work, which is a whole other relationship with its own problems, for me, at least. Who are these people with their cold buildings?

Thanks for sharing this. I appreciate your candid openness to discuss intimately about personal strife and struggle when it comes to experiencing our other halves. And that's what the game of life is all about, well to me it is anyway, it's about uniting the two aspects of ourself until they are fully whole and healed. And then live from that place of wholeness and well being.


I totally relate to everything to have mentioned here in your comments, we are all human after all, thanks Iwannaplato, thanks a lot.

I haven't included some of your responses, but know that I have read them all, and resonate with everything you have said.