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Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 2:15 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 10:13 am

Walker wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 9:11 am It's certainly not a hoax that the climate changes. But it's not about that.

More stunning is that you miss the point of The Climate Change movement. The point of Climate Change is not the climate.

The point of the Climate Change Movement is government regulation of all human activity, seeing as how everything a human being does can be said to affect the climate.

If the scientific consensus is that our industrial activity has adversely affected the climate, and is continuing to do so, and needs to be addressed to minimise an impending disaster, then wouldn't it be sheer stupidity for governments not to do something about it?

Well, there's no "scientific consensus," outside of the assurances of our mass media that there should be.

Yeah, just like there's no scientific consensus supporting human evolution.

Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 3:13 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 2:15 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 10:13 am

If the scientific consensus is that our industrial activity has adversely affected the climate, and is continuing to do so, and needs to be addressed to minimise an impending disaster, then wouldn't it be sheer stupidity for governments not to do something about it?

Well, there's no "scientific consensus," outside of the assurances of our mass media that there should be.

Yeah, just like there's no scientific consensus supporting human evolution.

What the one has to do with the other, you're going to have to explain...it's not apparent to anybody.

But you can click the link, too.

Walker wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 2:39 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 10:13 am

Walker wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 9:11 am It's certainly not a hoax that the climate changes. But it's not about that.

More stunning is that you miss the point of The Climate Change movement. The point of Climate Change is not the climate.

The point of the Climate Change Movement is government regulation of all human activity, seeing as how everything a human being does can be said to affect the climate.

If the scientific consensus is that our industrial activity has adversely affected the climate, and is continuing to do so, and needs to be addressed to minimise an impending disaster, then wouldn't it be sheer stupidity for governments not to do something about it?

Well, as was already mentioned, the scientific evidence shows that heat waves, hurricanes, tornados and forest fires are not a consequence of the Political Climate Change Movement.
https://issuesinsights.com/2024/06/19/h ... isis-lies/

So that invalidates the Henny Penny scenario.

Besides, governments can't change the climate, or stop the climate from changing, although there are metaphorical political climates.

You silly boy, Walker.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 3:18 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 3:13 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 2:15 pm
Well, there's no "scientific consensus," outside of the assurances of our mass media that there should be.

Yeah, just like there's no scientific consensus supporting human evolution.

What the one has to do with the other, you're going to have to explain...it's not apparent to anybody.

But you can click the link, too.

I don't know anything about how the climate works, so I'll leave it to those best qualified, one of which you are not.

Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 3:18 pm

When science meets indoctrination, indoctrination wins. This is why Climate Fanatics favour conjecture over facts, facts such as those provided in the link.

Scientifically speaking, the heavy electric car footprint on the neck of the public, in the name of saving the planet, also gets conveniently ignored in all the doublethink.

Walker wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 3:43 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 3:18 pm

When science meets indoctrination, indoctrination wins.

I happen to think you have been indoctrinated, Walker. You have fallen prey to misinformation.

Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 4:19 pm

Used to be that only violent hurricanes were given names. It’s not by accident that other weather occurrences such as snowstorms and thunderstorms are now also given names. Human names, not God names like Thor. Under such a FSK where humans cause weather events, self-sacrifice also affects the weather. Turn off that air conditioner and sweat, human. The servers need the electricity ... correction, make that ... sweat and save the planet.

Walker wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 6:28 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 4:19 pm

Used to be that only violent hurricanes were given names. It’s not by accident that other weather occurrences such as snowstorms and thunderstorms are now also given names. Human names, not God names like Thor. Under such a FSK where humans cause weather events, self-sacrifice also affects the weather. Turn off that air conditioner and sweat, human. The servers need the electricity ... correction, make that ... sweat and save the planet.

You are being a drama queen.

I don’t think Walker has fallen prey to misinformation. There is no hard evidence he ever really believed any of the shit he’s been crapping here. Oh sure!—we have his word as a gentleman! … lol

Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 3:22 pm I don't know anything about how the climate works, so I'll leave it to those best qualified, one of which you are not.

Listen to your own supposed "experts," then. Listen to your mass media, and the story they're telling you.

How was the climate crisis created?

They say it was by the West industrializing.

Now, what do you suppose will happen when billions more, in China, India, Africa and South America do exactly the same thing? And what do you suppose that, if you could do it right now, shutting down all industry and sinking the UK into the ocean would do to offset that sort of industrial input to the same environment?

A little common sense will give you the answer.

So you can believe me, or your "experts" plus your own common sense. Take your pick. You end up with the same result.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 8:52 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 3:22 pm I don't know anything about how the climate works, so I'll leave it to those best qualified, one of which you are not.

Listen to your own supposed "experts," then. Listen to your mass media, and the story they're telling you.

I am listening.

How was the climate crisis created?

They say it was by the West industrializing.

I think they say that because it's true.

Now, what do you suppose will happen when billions more, in China, India, Africa and South America do exactly the same thing? And what do you suppose that, if you could do it right now, shutting down all industry and sinking the UK into the ocean would do to offset that sort of industrial input to the same environment?

A little common sense will give you the answer.

I haven't got an answer, but it's glaringly obvious there's a big problem.

So you can believe me

I'm afraid I'm long past being able to do that.

Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 9:06 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 8:52 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 3:22 pm I don't know anything about how the climate works, so I'll leave it to those best qualified, one of which you are not.

Listen to your own supposed "experts," then. Listen to your mass media, and the story they're telling you.

I am listening.

How was the climate crisis created?

They say it was by the West industrializing.

I think they say that because it's true.

Now, what do you suppose will happen when billions more, in China, India, Africa and South America do exactly the same thing? And what do you suppose that, if you could do it right now, shutting down all industry and sinking the UK into the ocean would do to offset that sort of industrial input to the same environment?

A little common sense will give you the answer.

I haven't got an answer, but it's glaringly obvious there's a big problem.

So you can believe me

I'm afraid I'm long past being able to do that.

Well, believe your own common sense, then. The UK can't stop man-made climate change, if such there be. China and India...possibly...but only at the cost of keeping their people poor and underdeveloped. So we'll see how that works out.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 9:59 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 9:06 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 8:52 pm
Listen to your own supposed "experts," then. Listen to your mass media, and the story they're telling you.

I am listening.

How was the climate crisis created?

They say it was by the West industrializing.

I think they say that because it's true.

Now, what do you suppose will happen when billions more, in China, India, Africa and South America do exactly the same thing? And what do you suppose that, if you could do it right now, shutting down all industry and sinking the UK into the ocean would do to offset that sort of industrial input to the same environment?

A little common sense will give you the answer.

I haven't got an answer, but it's glaringly obvious there's a big problem.

So you can believe me

I'm afraid I'm long past being able to do that.

Well, believe your own common sense, then. The UK can't stop man-made climate change, if such there be. China and India...possibly...but only at the cost of keeping their people poor and underdeveloped. So we'll see how that works out.

My common sense tells me there's a problem, and although I don't know what should be done about it, I can't see the point in pretending it's not there.

Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 10:05 pm My common sense tells me there's a problem, and although I don't know what should be done about it, I can't see the point in pretending it's not there.

Your common sense should also be telling you that if somebody says they have a "solution" to the problem, and it doesn't involve China, India and the rest of the developing world, they're certain to be lying to you.

If climate change is important enough to do something about, then it's also much too important to do the wrong thing about.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 8:52 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 3:22 pm I don't know anything about how the climate works, so I'll leave it to those best qualified, one of which you are not.

Listen to your own supposed "experts," then. Listen to your mass media, and the story they're telling you.

Like listen to how your "experts" tell 'us' that the 'he' God created the whole Universe, and then listen to your mass media, and the story they are telling you?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 8:52 pm How was the climate crisis created?

How was the Universe created?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 8:52 pm They say it was by the West industrializing.

They say it was by a male gendered, of all things, thing.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 8:52 pm Now, what do you suppose will happen when billions more, in China, India, Africa and South America do exactly the same thing?

Now, what do you suppose will happen when billions of 'you' do, exactly, the same thing?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 8:52 pm And what do you suppose that, if you could do it right now, shutting down all industry and sinking the UK into the ocean would do to offset that sort of industrial input to the same environment?

A little common sense will give you the answer.

So you can believe me, or your "experts" plus your own common sense. Take your pick. You end up with the same result.

What do you actually say and claim "immanuel can", besides of course that God is male gendered and that "he' created the whole Universe, Itself, which you say that 'we' can believe 'you'?