Creation - Evolution

[Walker]

Does not evolution suggest a particular type of change, and not all change?

I would say yes, it does, good point Walker.

Evolution says that one species can change into another species.

What about, race?

[Harbal]

Does not evolution suggest a particular type of change, and not all change?

I would say yes, it does, good point Walker.

Evolution says that one species can change into another species.

What about, race?

From what I can gather, there is no longer any such thing as race. That's what the scientists seem to be saying. I don't know what the "proper" term now is to describe what used to be called the different races. But, yes, evolution is responsible for the phenomenon formerly known as race.

I wonder if it was the scientists who decided there was no longer any such person as Prince?

[Flannel Jesus]

If we assume for a second that he asked his question seriously (I would guess he didn't), then it's not just evolution that suggests races can change into other races - so does the Bible. The Bible started out with Adam and Eve. If that's to be believed, then all human races must have descended from them.

[Iwannaplato]

I wonder if it was the scientists who decided there was no longer any such person as Prince?

The scientists who invented Fentanyl certainly contributed, in any case.

[Atla]

But I never said you had so-called 'hard beliefs'.


you could not even get your presumption here right and correct, once again.

Also, and by the way, how do you differentiate between 'hard beliefs' and just 'beliefs'?

Okay. To 'you', 'I' am incapable of proving these things. 'We' already 'know' what 'you' 'believe' is true here.

Also, are you 'now' saying that you do not even actually believe what you say here?

Because, if you do, then your friend and buddy here "iwannaplato" will not be too happy with you at all "atla".

You can shove your blatantly dishonest usage of the word 'belief' up your backside as well.

So, here 'we' have another example of this one trying to deflect, and thus attempting to deceive here, again.

1. you have not yet clarified if you even actually believe what you said, or not.

2. What, exactly, is my supposed usage of the 'belief' word, from your perspective?

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential BELIEFS, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

Okay. To 'you', 'I' am incapable of proving these things. 'We' already 'know' what 'you' 'believe' is true here.

'We' also know that you have been incapable of disproving, countering, and/or refuting absolutely anything of what I have said and claimed here, as well.

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

[Atla]

Because, if you do, then your friend and buddy here "iwannaplato" will not be too happy with you at all "atla".

Notice that this person, Age, who thinks he knows how we can solve all the problems at this time
is willing to try to create tensions between people for his own gain.
In other words, Age, here, is pulling the same childish but also very destructive games that relatively powerful to extremely powerful people play in the time this is being written.

A desperate attempt from someone whose entire identity is built around a delusion that she/he is some kind of saviour from the future, a knower of the Absolute Truth, paragon of a new age. But this self-serving image is challenged here.

[Iwannaplato]

A desperate attempt from someone whose entire identity is built around a delusion that she/he is some kind of saviour from the future, a knower of the Absolute Truth, paragon of a new age. But this self-serving image is challenged here.

Why, that almost sounds like a description of narcissistic patterns. I can't believe it.

[Age]

Because, if you do, then your friend and buddy here "iwannaplato" will not be too happy with you at all "atla".

Notice that this person, Age, who thinks he knows how we can solve all the problems at this time
is willing to try to create tensions between people for his own gain.

Notice how you criticize me and try to ridicule me for saying more or less the exact same thing "atla" just has.

In other words, Age, here, is pulling the same childish but also very destructive games that relatively powerful to extremely powerful people play in the time this is being written.

Really?

Are not the two of you here, in this post, playing the very old game of trying to destroy/discredit 'me', 'the author', and thus in turn ultimately trying to destroy 'the words' of 'mine'?

What is 'it' of you, and/or "atla", do you think I am actually 'pulling' here? you two have neither countered nor refuted what I have actually said and meant, so what is 'it' of you two is there to actually 'destruct'?

You can shove your blatantly dishonest usage of the word 'belief' up your backside as well.

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential BELIEFS, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

Yes: his dishonest use of the word belief. Dishonest in relation to himself and others.

What do both of you even think is my use of the 'belief' word?

one of you here claims, 'his dishonest use of the word belief', while the other here claims, 'her dishonest use of the word belief'. Yet, neither of you have even explained what 'my use' of the 'belief' word even is. So, once again, here 'we' can see another prime example of 'confirmation biases' working off pre-existing beliefs and assumptions.

How are these two even defining the 'belief' word here?

one even talked about 'hard beliefs', which, obviously, only distracts and/or 'excuses' some of its 'beliefs', while I never even mentioned anything like this. So, the confusion and conflating from these two continues here.

Meanwhile, and back to the claims here, the Universe is infinite and eternal while constantly-changing, always HERE-NOW, in and through a continual evolving-creating process.

Is there anyone in this forum who would like to 'discuss this', instead of talking 'about me', here?

If yes, then there is far, far more detail that we can delve into and look at, which will show and reveal how this is irrefutably True.

[Age]

If we assume for a second that he asked his question seriously (I would guess he didn't), then it's not just evolution that suggests races can change into other races - so does the Bible. The Bible started out with Adam and Eve. If that's to be believed, then all human races must have descended from them.

Even in the bible there is the mention of 'evolution' taking place.

"adam" from the earth", and, "eve" from "adam".

And then, there is the return, 'ashes to ashes', 'dust to dust, and/or 'earth to earth'.

In other words 'all on earth' came from earth, and, returns back to earth. Or, never leaves where it once came. And, when 'looked at' from not such a narrowed perspective the earth and all of the other planets and stars 'return back to' from where they all 'once come', that is; the Universe, Itself.

Or, in other words, absolutely leaves this Universe, - the one and only place there is.

The two fundamental 'things' of the Universe allow, and cause, the eternal-evolving Universe to 'create' all of the other human being named and labeled 'things' to come into this one and only Creation.

[Age]

You can shove your blatantly dishonest usage of the word 'belief' up your backside as well.

So, here 'we' have another example of this one trying to deflect, and thus attempting to deceive here, again.

1. you have not yet clarified if you even actually believe what you said, or not.

2. What, exactly, is my supposed usage of the 'belief' word, from your perspective?

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential BELIEFS, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

Okay. To 'you', 'I' am incapable of proving these things. 'We' already 'know' what 'you' 'believe' is true here.

'We' also know that you have been incapable of disproving, countering, and/or refuting absolutely anything of what I have said and claimed here, as well.

You are incapable of proving your mind,

Are you capable of proving 'your mind'?

Also, why do you presume or believe that I have 'my mind'?

mind-matter duality,

Are you capable of proving 'your nonduality'?

Also, why do you presume or believe that I claim there is 'my mind-matter duality'?

Remember it is 'you' who claims that 'you' have 'your mind'. Thus, it is 'you' who is, contradictory, claiming that there is a 'mind'-'you/matter' 'duality'.

evolution,

Are you capable of proving 'evolution'?

Do you assume or believe that 'evolution' exists?

Or, do you presume or believe some thing just created 'all of this', 'in the beginning'?

If yes, then are you capable of proving 'your non-evolving, creation' theory or belief?

time travel

Are you capable of proving 'your 'current' human being Wrong phrased 'time travel' is not possible?

Are you even OPEN to what is Wrongly termed 'time travel' could even be possible?

and infinite human potential beliefs,

I am not even sure what you are saying and meaning here.

What is 'it', exactly, are you asking me if I am capable of proving here?

What even are so-called 'infinite human potential beliefs'?

In fact are you even capable of proving whatever 'it' is that you think or belief here?

therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

Can 'we' also 'view you' as 'just a delusional liar, and nothing more', if 'we' also just decided that 'you are incapable of proving the above here'?

Or, does this 'viewing' 'the other' as 'a delusional liar, and nothing more', "atla", only, allowed, to work 'one way', only?

[Sculptor]

nothing to see here.. just another incomprehensible thread by Age...

Kropotkin

Yup

[Sculptor]

Does not evolution suggest a particular type of change, and not all change?

I would say yes, it does, good point Walker.

Evolution says that one species can change into another species.

What about, race?

I've read that book from cover to cover twice.
"Race" doe not mean what you think it means.

If that books gets cancelled then it will be one of your MAGA dickbrains who are banning books all through Alabama and Florida.
In fact I am pretty sure it is banned already, by red necks like you

[Age]

Because, if you do, then your friend and buddy here "iwannaplato" will not be too happy with you at all "atla".

Notice that this person, Age, who thinks he knows how we can solve all the problems at this time
is willing to try to create tensions between people for his own gain.
In other words, Age, here, is pulling the same childish but also very destructive games that relatively powerful to extremely powerful people play in the time this is being written.

A desperate attempt from someone whose entire identity is built around a delusion that she/he is some kind of saviour from the future, a knower of the Absolute Truth, paragon of a new age. But this self-serving image is challenged here.

But 'this' has not been, actually, 'challenged'.

you two have just already formed presumptions, which you both have started believing are true, and so 'now' are just 'seeing' things from those already formed perceptions only.

And, the funniest thing here, when watching and observing this play out, is that some of the presumptions that you two have, jointly, made up and formed here are so utterly completely False and Wrong, but yet you two still believe them to be absolutely true.

LOL Some of things you two claim and allege you are 'challenging' exist solely in your two imaginations only. But, here you two are claiming that you are 'challenging' them.

I hope that you two really do not stop talking 'about me' here. As what you are saying and doing here is providing 'me' with irrefutable proof for, and in regards to, what I will be saying and claiming about how the Mind and the brain really do work.

[Sculptor]

I would say yes, it does, good point Walker.

Evolution says that one species can change into another species.

What about, race?

From what I can gather, there is no longer any such thing as race. That's what the scientists seem to be saying. I don't know what the "proper" term now is to describe what used to be called the different races. But, yes, evolution is responsible for the phenomenon formerly known as race.

I wonder if it was the scientists who decided there was no longer any such person as Prince?

Darwin was not talking about "race" as we know it. The OofS does not go into humans in the slightest. For much of the book he was talking about variation due to domestic breeding. What he said about dogs sheep and pidgeons he used to help understand how living things evolve in nature.
"Variation under Domestication" poses the agent of selection has a series of human choices which is an analogue of evlutionary pressure due to the environment in nature.
You should read it - its wonderfully written.

[Age]

A desperate attempt from someone whose entire identity is built around a delusion that she/he is some kind of saviour from the future, a knower of the Absolute Truth, paragon of a new age. But this self-serving image is challenged here.

Why, that almost sounds like a description of narcissistic patterns. I can't believe it.

And, let 'us' not forget, 'that view' exists solely in the imaginations of these two here, only.

All I have essentially done here is just express a view about Creation, and, Evolution.

And, which only one, so far, has been able to just 'look at' and 'see' what was actually being said, written, and meant.

There is absolutely nothing hard nor complex to comprehend and understand here, which one has been able to notice.

But, for the others, they are not able to just 'look' and 'see' here, from an OPEN perspective, YET.

These other ones have to 'look' and 'see' from pre-existing views, assumptions, and/or beliefs only. Or, which I call APE-thinking.