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I don't owe you an explanation, you chauvinist pig.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:12 pmAh. You think you know how females are "oppressed"? And you think that for "hundreds of years" their lots have been worse than those of equivalent men?
Great. Explain how.
It seems that every time you encounter a point of view that is not in line with yours, your instinctive response is to recommend a book. Even so, I thought you knew better than to recommend one to me.Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:14 pmSee The Manipulated Man by Esther Vilar. It was also published in Spanish with he title El Hombre Domado (domado: domesticated, ruled, well- trained) which carries the sense of her thesis better, I think.Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:09 pm
What you are complaining about is just the backlash from hundreds of years of female oppression, and if you think things are now going a little too far the other way, use that as an opportunity to appreciate, and get a small taste of, how women must have felt for all that time. Now stop moaning, and be a man about it.
Well, that's exactly the sort of answer one gets from Feminism..."You're not allowed to question any aspect of the "patriarchy" narrative, particularly with reference to any particulars, statistics, or data, or we'll assassinate your character."Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:26 pmI don't owe you an explanation, you chauvinist pig.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:12 pmAh. You think you know how females are "oppressed"? And you think that for "hundreds of years" their lots have been worse than those of equivalent men?
Great. Explain how.
I think we all know what life was like for women in the not too distant past. Still, one has to have some sympathy with you Christian Conservatives, having to live in a world full of so many objectionable isms.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:46 pmWell, that's exactly the sort of answer one gets from Feminism..."You're not allowed to question any aspect of the "patriarchy" narrative, particularly with reference to any particulars, statistics, or data, or we'll assassinate your character."Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:26 pmI don't owe you an explanation, you chauvinist pig.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:12 pm
Ah. You think you know how females are "oppressed"? And you think that for "hundreds of years" their lots have been worse than those of equivalent men?
Great. Explain how.
Of course, that's just what one does when one's out of facts.
Many fail to comprehend that the "good ol' days" weren't all that good for a lot of folks.
I don't think "we know" any such thing. We just don't think at all about how nasty life was for everybody -- men, women and children -- throughout most of history. It's pretty much an unrelenting story of misery for the ordinary person, right up to recent times. And today, we think very little about how many privileges women enjoy in Western society. We just assume that the slanted, Feminist narrative is true, and charge straight ahead credulously. And that's often because we've been led to think it's virtuous to trust Feminism blankly, and not virtuous to ask for any facts, data or evidence. "Believe all women," right?Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:56 pmI think we all know what life was like for women in the not too distant past.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:46 pmWell, that's exactly the sort of answer one gets from Feminism..."You're not allowed to question any aspect of the "patriarchy" narrative, particularly with reference to any particulars, statistics, or data, or we'll assassinate your character."
Of course, that's just what one does when one's out of facts.
Right on. Think of life without health care, dentistry, life insurance, basic hygiene or sanitation, birth control, stable food supply, public education,...and think of it with wars, plagues, pogroms and purges, conquests, droughts and famines, slavery...that's most of history, for most people. And today, it's still the reality of two thirds of the world, at least.
I think we do.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:18 pmI don't think "we know" any such thing.Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:56 pmI think we all know what life was like for women in the not too distant past.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:46 pm
Well, that's exactly the sort of answer one gets from Feminism..."You're not allowed to question any aspect of the "patriarchy" narrative, particularly with reference to any particulars, statistics, or data, or we'll assassinate your character."
Of course, that's just what one does when one's out of facts.
I don't know much about the "Feminist narrative", but I do know that it is only relatively recently that women have become entitled to equal treatment, both legally and socially. This was in my lifetime, and I remember it.And today, we think very little about how many privileges women enjoy in Western society. We just assume that the slanted, Feminist narrative is true
I'm not interested in feminism, just fairness.And that's often because we've been led to think it's virtuous to trust Feminism blankly,
What have you forgotten, exactly?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:31 pmRefresh "our" memory.
Well, you say "we" know. But "we" don't. So help "us" out.
You know I can't be bothered with all that "evidence" nonsense, especially with someone who would swear black was white if it suited him. Things change, and you can either get used to it or complain.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:43 pmWell, you say "we" know. But "we" don't. So help "us" out.
Or...just realize you don't "know" any such thing at all, because you can't think of evidence, data or facts that support it.
Then you'll make a great advocate of "the patriarchy" nonsense.Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 11:33 pmYou know I can't be bothered with all that "evidence" nonsense...Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:43 pmWell, you say "we" know. But "we" don't. So help "us" out.
Or...just realize you don't "know" any such thing at all, because you can't think of evidence, data or facts that support it.
I'm not an advocate of anything. I was just pointing out what you, I, and everyone else here knows.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 12:50 amThen you'll make a great advocate of "the patriarchy" nonsense.Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 11:33 pmYou know I can't be bothered with all that "evidence" nonsense...Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:43 pm
Well, you say "we" know. But "we" don't. So help "us" out.
Or...just realize you don't "know" any such thing at all, because you can't think of evidence, data or facts that support it.