Evolution, God made or an accident

[Age]

I think it comes from theists who are too enthusiastic and give their god all sorts of wonderful attributes.

That actually generates awkward discussions for them.

If god is perfect, then why does he/she/it make little kids suffer horrible diseases or abuse?

But God, Itself, IS NOT MAKING so-called 'little, NOR big, kids' SUFFER horrible diseases or abuse.

1. But, THEN, I KNOW WHO and WHAT God IS, EXACTLY.

2. Children ONLY 'suffer' BECAUSE of 'you', adult human beings. And, BEFORE ANY one just REFUTES 'this' OUTRIGHT, PLEASE REMEMBER 'I' AM ABSOLUTELY OPEN TO BE CHALLENGED and/or QUESTIONED OVER 'this CLAIM'.

3. ONLY 'you', adult human beings, ABUSE children. NO one/thing ELSE does.

4. JUST MAYBE SOME of the so-called 'horrible diseases', which children are SAID TO SUFFER WITH and/or FROM, ARE A DIRECT RESULT OF adult human being Wrong DOING/S.

One has do some wild babbling to rationalize it.

Also, one HAS TO DO some so-called 'wild BELIEVING' to NOT BEING OPEN TO OTHER 'things', AND TO 'RATIONALIZE' 'their' OWN DISTORTED and Wrong BELIEFS.

God might have screwed up some stuff.

HOW do 'you' IMAGINE SO?

What PERCEPTION/S do 'you' even HAVE OF 'God', Itself?

We don't know enough to say how or why.

'you' may NOT, BUT 'we' CERTAINLY DO.

That's the real honest answer.

What WAS the so-called REAL HONEST QUESTION, here?

[commonsense]

Maybe the meaning of perfect and imperfect is what is at odds here.

Yes, "perfect" is one of those words that could mean something or it could mean nothing.

A "perfect god" ... what could it mean?

The more one thinks about it, the nuttier it becomes.

God must be perfect, or else he is not God.

Children suffer.

God cannot be perfect.


God cannot be.

[phyllo]

Maybe the meaning of perfect and imperfect is what is at odds here.

Yes, "perfect" is one of those words that could mean something or it could mean nothing.

A "perfect god" ... what could it mean?

The more one thinks about it, the nuttier it becomes.

God must be perfect, or else he is not God.

Children suffer.

God cannot be perfect.


God cannot be.

I'm not sure what you are saying.

[Age]

Maybe the meaning of perfect and imperfect is what is at odds here.

Yes, "perfect" is one of those words that could mean something or it could mean nothing.

A "perfect god" ... what could it mean?

The more one thinks about it, the nuttier it becomes.

Putting aside that "perfect" seems to mean some hypothetical state that is unachievable in reality, don't we just mean something that is ideal for the purpose it serves, or as near as damn it to the ultimate standard that we can imagine?

ABSOLUTELY ANY 'thing' MEANS ABSOLUTELY WHATEVER 'the observer' WANTS 'it' TO MEAN.

When the term is applied to God, I guess it's just a way of avoiding having to answer awkward questions.

PUT FORWARD ABSOLUTELY ANY so-called 'AWKWARD QUESTION'. 'I', for one, WILL CERTAINLY NEVER AVOID ANSWERING 'them'.

We might not understand it, but if God did it, it must be because he had a perfect reason for doing it, because he is the perfect being. It's the ultimate get out of jail free card.

AND WHEN, and IF, 'you' COME-TO-REALIZE, and KNOW, WHO and WHAT God IS, EXACTLY, ALSO, then:

1. 'you' WILL get OUT OF the bad or wrong HABIT OF, and STOP, calling 'It' A "he".

2. 'you' WILL SEE and UNDERSTAND HOW and WHY God, Itself, IS CALLED 'PERFECT'.

[Age]

Maybe the meaning of perfect and imperfect is what is at odds here.

Yes, "perfect" is one of those words that could mean something or it could mean nothing.

A "perfect god" ... what could it mean?

The more one thinks about it, the nuttier it becomes.

God must be perfect, or else he is not God.

Children suffer.

Children ONLY so-call 'suffer' BECAUSE OF 'you', adult human beings.

God cannot be perfect.


God cannot be.

Also, WHY DO 'you', VERY Wrongly, call God, Itself, A "he"?

[Age]

Yes, "perfect" is one of those words that could mean something or it could mean nothing.

A "perfect god" ... what could it mean?

The more one thinks about it, the nuttier it becomes.

God must be perfect, or else he is not God.

Children suffer.

God cannot be perfect.


God cannot be.

I'm not sure what you are saying.

'The one' known as "commonsense" here is 'TRYING TO' formulate 'an argument' FOR what 'it', currently, BELIEVES IS TRUE.

[phyllo]

Children ONLY so-call 'suffer' BECAUSE OF 'you', adult human beings.

How so?

[commonsense]

Yes, "perfect" is one of those words that could mean something or it could mean nothing.

A "perfect god" ... what could it mean?

The more one thinks about it, the nuttier it becomes.

God must be perfect, or else he is not God.

Children suffer.

God cannot be perfect.


God cannot be.

I'm not sure what you are saying.

If God must be perfect, and not merely supernatural, there can be no God.

[Harbal]

We might not understand it, but if God did it, it must be because he had a perfect reason for doing it, because he is the perfect being. It's the ultimate get out of jail free card.

AND WHEN, and IF, 'you' COME-TO-REALIZE, and KNOW, WHO and WHAT God IS, EXACTLY, ALSO, then:

1. 'you' WILL get OUT OF the bad or wrong HABIT OF, and STOP, calling 'It' A "he".

2. 'you' WILL SEE and UNDERSTAND HOW and WHY God, Itself, IS CALLED 'PERFECT'.

I am actually sick to death of the word, "God", so I don't even know why I came on this thread and mentioned him/her/it.

And I'll call him/her/it whatever I like, thank you very much.

[Age]

We might not understand it, but if God did it, it must be because he had a perfect reason for doing it, because he is the perfect being. It's the ultimate get out of jail free card.

AND WHEN, and IF, 'you' COME-TO-REALIZE, and KNOW, WHO and WHAT God IS, EXACTLY, ALSO, then:

1. 'you' WILL get OUT OF the bad or wrong HABIT OF, and STOP, calling 'It' A "he".

2. 'you' WILL SEE and UNDERSTAND HOW and WHY God, Itself, IS CALLED 'PERFECT'.

I am actually sick to death of the word, "God", so I don't even know why I came on this thread and mentioned him/her/it.

And I'll call him/her/it whatever I like, thank you very much.

Okay, and OF COURSE 'you' WILL.

'you' WILL ALSO CALL "yourself" whatever 'you' like, AS WELL.

[phyllo]

If God must be perfect, and not merely supernatural, there can be no God.

I'm just pointing out that there are people who think that 'a god doesn't have to be perfect to be a god'.

Bahman's position is not that extreme or unusual. It's not like nobody agrees with him about it.

[Age]

If God must be perfect, and not merely supernatural, there can be no God.

I'm just pointing out that there are people who think that 'a god doesn't have to be perfect to be a god'.

Bahman's position is not that extreme or unusual. It's not like nobody agrees with him about it.

Who AGREES WITH "bahman's" position?

And, what do 'you' think or BELIEVE IS "bahman's" position here?

[Age]

God must be perfect, or else he is not God.

Children suffer.

God cannot be perfect.


God cannot be.

I'm not sure what you are saying.

If God must be perfect, and not merely supernatural, there can be no God.

If some 'thing' is SUPPOSEDLY so-called 'supernatural', when the 'supernatural' word is REFERRING TO some 'thing' that is outside of, above, beyond, or NOT a part of 'Nature' nor the 'Natural', then 'that thing' OBVIOUSLY can NOT exist', and therefore does NOT exist.

However, if some 'thing' IS so-called 'perfect', then 'this thing' could exist, and, in fact, ACTUALLY DOES EXIST.

But, OBVIOUSLY, NOT ALL people, in the days when this was being written BELIEVED 'this', NOR ACCEPTED 'this'. AGAIN, BECAUSE of 'their' PRE-EXISTING BELIEFS, and PRESUMPTIONS.

[commonsense]

I'm not sure what you are saying.

If God must be perfect, and not merely supernatural, there can be no God.

If some 'thing' is SUPPOSEDLY so-called 'supernatural', when the 'supernatural' word is REFERRING TO some 'thing' that is outside of, above, beyond, or NOT a part of 'Nature' nor the 'Natural', then 'that thing' OBVIOUSLY can NOT exist', and therefore does NOT exist.

However, if some 'thing' IS so-called 'perfect', then 'this thing' could exist, and, in fact, ACTUALLY DOES EXIST.

But, OBVIOUSLY, NOT ALL people, in the days when this was being written BELIEVED 'this', NOR ACCEPTED 'this'. AGAIN, BECAUSE of 'their' PRE-EXISTING BELIEFS, and PRESUMPTIONS.

There cannot be a perfect God, because if God were perfect, children would not suffer. Humans would live in Utopia.

But children do suffer, and humans do not live in Utopia.

Therefore, IF God exists, God is not perfect.

Furthermore, if God is not perfect, he is not omnipotent, but rather only nearly omnipotent,

In the Torah it is written that God commands his followers to worship him on every Sabbath. But if God were imperfect, he might rather suggest that his followers worship him on three out of four Sabbaths, thus diluting his commandments.

This weakened God would barely be worthy of being called God.


So, there can be no perfect God and an imperfect God would be a weakened, vulnerable God.

[bahman]

If God must be perfect, and not merely supernatural, there can be no God.

If some 'thing' is SUPPOSEDLY so-called 'supernatural', when the 'supernatural' word is REFERRING TO some 'thing' that is outside of, above, beyond, or NOT a part of 'Nature' nor the 'Natural', then 'that thing' OBVIOUSLY can NOT exist', and therefore does NOT exist.

However, if some 'thing' IS so-called 'perfect', then 'this thing' could exist, and, in fact, ACTUALLY DOES EXIST.

But, OBVIOUSLY, NOT ALL people, in the days when this was being written BELIEVED 'this', NOR ACCEPTED 'this'. AGAIN, BECAUSE of 'their' PRE-EXISTING BELIEFS, and PRESUMPTIONS.

There cannot be a perfect God, because if God were perfect, children would not suffer. Humans would live in Utopia.

But children do suffer, and humans do not live in Utopia.

Why does a perfect God have to create perfectly? It is up to him. Isn't it? Moreover, the perfect creation is God and nothing else.

Therefore, IF God exists, God is not perfect.

Maybe.

Furthermore, if God is not perfect, he is not omnipotent, but rather only nearly omnipotent,

True.

In the Torah it is written that God commands his followers to worship him on every Sabbath. But if God were imperfect, he might rather suggest that his followers worship him on three out of four Sabbaths, thus diluting his commandments.

This weakened God would barely be worthy of being called God.

OK. So?

So, there can be no perfect God and an imperfect God would be a weakened, vulnerable God.

Yes. But that does not mean that an imperfect God cannot exist.