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Re: Reality is Both Meaningful and Meaningless
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 7:49 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Darkneos wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 12:26 am
If everything falls to the trilemma then your argument does to....thus leaving it futile (which is what I as saying in other threads with the "futility of philosophy except for fun and mental exercise" remark).
Again, wrong and my explanation just went over your head.
If things are legitimized because of meaning and meaning is assigned to everything by everyone then everything is legitimate.
You'd have to show that everything has meaning assigned to it but if it did then yes everything would be meaningful.
1. How can you say it went over my head if your meaning is subjective to you? If meaning is subjective then meaning occurs to everyone's observations and with this contradiction considering observations do not always agree.
2. I assign meaning to "everything". It means "totality".
Re: Reality is Both Meaningful and Meaningless
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 7:51 pm
by Darkneos
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 7:49 pm
Darkneos wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 12:26 am
If everything falls to the trilemma then your argument does to....thus leaving it futile (which is what I as saying in other threads with the "futility of philosophy except for fun and mental exercise" remark).
Again, wrong and my explanation just went over your head.
If things are legitimized because of meaning and meaning is assigned to everything by everyone then everything is legitimate.
You'd have to show that everything has meaning assigned to it but if it did then yes everything would be meaningful.
1. How can you say it went over my head if your meaning is subjective to you? If meaning is subjective then meaning occurs to everyone's observations and with this contradiction considering observations do not always agree.
2. I assign meaning to "everything". It means "totality".
Wrong.
What’s your point?
Re: Reality is Both Meaningful and Meaningless
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 7:59 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Darkneos wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 7:51 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 7:49 pm
Darkneos wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 12:26 am
Again, wrong and my explanation just went over your head.
You'd have to show that everything has meaning assigned to it but if it did then yes everything would be meaningful.
1. How can you say it went over my head if your meaning is subjective to you? If meaning is subjective then meaning occurs to everyone's observations and with this contradiction considering observations do not always agree.
2. I assign meaning to "everything". It means "totality".
Wrong.
What’s your point?
You assigning of meaning in the respect of stating that I am wrong is subjective on your part according to your own logic that meaning is not objective.
If meaning is assigned and meaning is relative and subjective (as you claim) then in many respects I am right.
Now you are doing the same thing you accuse me of...repeating.
Re: Reality is Both Meaningful and Meaningless
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:04 pm
by Darkneos
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 7:59 pm
Darkneos wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 7:51 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 7:49 pm
1. How can you say it went over my head if your meaning is subjective to you? If meaning is subjective then meaning occurs to everyone's observations and with this contradiction considering observations do not always agree.
2. I assign meaning to "everything". It means "totality".
Wrong.
What’s your point?
You assigning of meaning in the respect of stating that I am wrong is subjective on your part according to your own logic that meaning is not objective.
If meaning is assigned and meaning is relative and subjective (as you claim) then in many respects I am right.
Now you are doing the same thing you accuse me of...repeating.
Wrong again, what’s your point?
Re: Reality is Both Meaningful and Meaningless
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:06 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Darkneos wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:04 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 7:59 pm
Darkneos wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 7:51 pm
Wrong.
What’s your point?
You assigning of meaning in the respect of stating that I am wrong is subjective on your part according to your own logic that meaning is not objective.
If meaning is assigned and meaning is relative and subjective (as you claim) then in many respects I am right.
Now you are doing the same thing you accuse me of...repeating.
Wrong again, what’s your point?
There is 'just is-ness'.
Re: Reality is Both Meaningful and Meaningless
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:10 pm
by Darkneos
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:06 pm
Darkneos wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:04 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 7:59 pm
You assigning of meaning in the respect of stating that I am wrong is subjective on your part according to your own logic that meaning is not objective.
If meaning is assigned and meaning is relative and subjective (as you claim) then in many respects I am right.
Now you are doing the same thing you accuse me of...repeating.
Wrong again, what’s your point?
There is 'just is-ness'.
Wrong again. What’s your point.
Re: Reality is Both Meaningful and Meaningless
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:11 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Darkneos wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:10 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:06 pm
Darkneos wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:04 pm
Wrong again, what’s your point?
There is 'just is-ness'.
Wrong again. What’s your point.
Why does there have to be a point?
Re: Reality is Both Meaningful and Meaningless
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:11 pm
by Darkneos
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:11 pm
Darkneos wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:10 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:06 pm
There is 'just is-ness'.
Wrong again. What’s your point.
Why does there have to be a point?
Wrong again. What’s your point.
Re: Reality is Both Meaningful and Meaningless
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:56 am
by popeye1945
Reality is meaningful only to life forms/consciousness, in the absence of which the physical world is utterly meaningless.