A reason for existence of God

[K1Barin]

I explained this: Any act has a before and an after. Therefore, you need time for it.


Regress is a process when something always depends on something else so you cannot reach an end to the process.

Your reason is not convincing. Why if any act has a before and an after, you need time for it? When creating is something from nothing, God says be it and it becomes. It consumes no time.
So creating time too, consumes no time. So process you are talking about doesn't depend on anything else, so we can reach an end to the process.

We are talking about the act of creation out of nothing, so there was a point that there was only God and nothing else, that is before the act. There is a point when God creates things. That is after the second point. What do you expect that before and after are referring to here if it is not a point in time?

Just to complete the discussion, there was no before, before creation of time.

[bahman]

Your reason is not convincing. Why if any act has a before and an after, you need time for it? When creating is something from nothing, God says be it and it becomes. It consumes no time.
So creating time too, consumes no time. So process you are talking about doesn't depend on anything else, so we can reach an end to the process.

We are talking about the act of creation out of nothing, so there was a point that there was only God and nothing else, that is before the act. There is a point when God creates things. That is after the second point. What do you expect that before and after are referring to here if it is not a point in time?

Just to complete the discussion, there was no before, before creation of time.

Does any act has a before and an after?

[K1Barin]

We are talking about the act of creation out of nothing, so there was a point that there was only God and nothing else, that is before the act. There is a point when God creates things. That is after the second point. What do you expect that before and after are referring to here if it is not a point in time?

Just to complete the discussion, there was no before, before creation of time.

Does any act has a before and an after?

Maybe, but not in the case of creation of time itself.

[bahman]

Just to complete the discussion, there was no before, before creation of time.

Does any act has a before and an after?

Maybe, but not in the case of creation of time itself.

What do you mean by maybe? Does any act has a before and an after? Yes or no?

[K1Barin]

Does any act has a before and an after?

Maybe, but not in the case of creation of time itself.

What do you mean by maybe? Does any act has a before and an after? Yes or no?

I mean every act has a before and an after, but not the creation of time itself.

Your issue here seems more like 'how did the time start?'. Not 'does the God exist or not'. And the best answer for this issue can be, yeah, God the almighty created the time.

[bahman]

Maybe, but not in the case of creation of time itself.

What do you mean by maybe? Does any act has a before and an after? Yes or no?

I mean every act has a before and an after, but not the creation of time itself.

So time existed at the moment of creation?

Your issue here seems more like 'how did the time start?'. Not 'does the God exist or not'. And the best answer for this issue can be, yeah, God the almighty created the time.

If God created time there is a point when time didn't exist. Yes or no?

[K1Barin]

What do you mean by maybe? Does any act has a before and an after? Yes or no?

I mean every act has a before and an after, but not the creation of time itself.

So time existed at the moment of creation?

Your issue here seems more like 'how did the time start?'. Not 'does the God exist or not'. And the best answer for this issue can be, yeah, God the almighty created the time.

If God created time there is a point when time didn't exist. Yes or no?

At the instance of creation of time, time started, and began to exist.

The issue you want to bring up maybe is that the time always existed, and it didn't start. To answer that, there is progression in the universe with time. If it always existed, then long long time ago when there was very little progress in the universe compared to now, why did it have so little progress if it existed ever before (very long long long time ago!).

[K1Barin]

I mean every act has a before and an after, but not the creation of time itself.

So time existed at the moment of creation?

Your issue here seems more like 'how did the time start?'. Not 'does the God exist or not'. And the best answer for this issue can be, yeah, God the almighty created the time.

If God created time there is a point when time didn't exist. Yes or no?

At the instance of creation of time, time started, and began to exist.

The issue you want to bring up maybe is that the time always existed, and it didn't start. To answer that, there is progression in the universe with time. If it always existed, then long long time ago when there was very little progress in the universe compared to now, why did it have so little progress if it existed ever before (very long long long time ago!).

Time started some time. And that is when God almighty created it.

[bahman]

I mean every act has a before and an after, but not the creation of time itself.

So time existed at the moment of creation?

Your issue here seems more like 'how did the time start?'. Not 'does the God exist or not'. And the best answer for this issue can be, yeah, God the almighty created the time.

If God created time there is a point when time didn't exist. Yes or no?

At the instance of creation of time, time started, and began to exist.

You didn't answer my question. Was there a point when time didn't exist? Yes or no?

The issue you want to bring up maybe is that the time always existed, and it didn't start. To answer that, there is progression in the universe with time. If it always existed, then long long time ago when there was very little progress in the universe compared to now, why did it have so little progress if it existed ever before (very long long long time ago!).

Time of course has a beginning.

[K1Barin]

So time existed at the moment of creation?


If God created time there is a point when time didn't exist. Yes or no?

At the instance of creation of time, time started, and began to exist.

You didn't answer my question. Was there a point when time didn't exist? Yes or no?

Yes, when time began to exist, it was not existing. But you can not call it "a point when", if time didn't exist.

[bahman]

At the instance of creation of time, time started, and began to exist.

You didn't answer my question. Was there a point when time didn't exist? Yes or no?

Yes, when time began to exist, it was not existing.

That means that time exists and exists not which is problematic.

But you can not call it "a point when", if time didn't exist.

So time existed always?

[K1Barin]

This can itself be a standalone topic, but it is related to present discussion: Why the time started if there is no almighty God?

[K1Barin]

But you can not call it "a point when", if time didn't exist.

So time existed always?

No. I mean The phrase "a point when" is inappropriate since there is no time. See, you must be in a state of no time, and be talking about it. How can one talk in a state of no time?

[bahman]

This can itself be a standalone topic, but it is related to present discussion: Why the time started if there is no almighty God?

If we accept that there is no God who created time and time has a starting then we can deduce that time started by itself.

[K1Barin]

This can itself be a standalone topic, but it is related to present discussion: Why the time started if there is no almighty God?

If we accept that there is no God who created time and time has a starting then we can deduce that time started by itself.

Start of time by itself is less likely than God creating it because God is supposed to be the almighty.