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Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:53 am

commonsense wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 2:12 am WHAT makes you think there wasn’t a proper count?

The dead voters. The dumped ballots. The phony signatures. The abusing of the observers. The one-sided reporting of the media. The tightness of the results. The illegally extended deadlines. The current lawsuits....

Take your pick. Half the voters in the US think the same; so that means a great number of Americans have no confidence in the process. A clear process would fix that.

You are alleging voter fraud, not counting fraud. How do you think any additional count could change the outcome?

Would a third count be able to, as a tie-breaker, restore the faith of the less than half the voters, the inconfident ones?

Also, the process must be clear, if unpleasant, to those who allege impropriety, else how would they so clearly think it wasn’t a proper process?

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:01 am What would be funny is if they had a recount and Trump won, then the wokies said it was rigged and demanded a recount of the recount, so they recounted the recount and Biden won 'again' then the Trumpettes made a fuss and said it was 'fake news' and demanded a recount of the recount of the recount.....

So plausible! When would everyone do what they could just as well do now: accept the election results???

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF11641?

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:41 am NO EVIDENCE.

Apparently there's a ton of it. But the lawsuits will probably settle that. We shall see.

commonsense wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:54 pm You are alleging voter fraud, not counting fraud. How do you think any additional count could change the outcome?

They are the same. The vexed question is, "Which votes ought to count?" We know there were many phony votes that were included in the original count. We just don't yet know how many they were in total. But we can find out.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:06 pm

commonsense wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:54 pm You are alleging voter fraud, not counting fraud. How do you think any additional count could change the outcome?

They are the same. The vexed question is, "Which votes ought to count?" We know there were many phony votes that were included in the original count. We just don't yet know how many they were in total. But we can find out.

If half of what I've heard bout these dominion voting machines is true, the election will have to be overturned. The methods of Corruption are easily proven and if the election isn't overturned it just means that America has become a corrupt banana republic promoting an illegal puppet president. If so it is time to pack it in. There is no way the 70 million people who voted for Trump will accept it.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gun-sales- ... high-2020/

not gonna accept leftist tyranny?

but utopia!!

-Imp

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:07 am Well in 2024 he will still be a spring chicken by American political standards.
Joe Biden's face is pulled so tight that it's practically transparent.

Is Musk into advanced animatronics?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:53 am

commonsense wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 2:12 am WHAT makes you think there wasn’t a proper count?

The dead voters. The dumped ballots. The phony signatures. The abusing of the observers. The one-sided reporting of the media. The tightness of the results. The illegally extended deadlines. The current lawsuits....

Legal ballots were counted. Illegal ballots were not counted. The observers were unharmed. The reports do not change the counts. Tightness doesn’t mean impropriety. No deadlines were illegally extended. No lawsuit has been successful in the least.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:39 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:06 pm

commonsense wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:54 pm You are alleging voter fraud, not counting fraud. How do you think any additional count could change the outcome?

They are the same. The vexed question is, "Which votes ought to count?" We know there were many phony votes that were included in the original count. We just don't yet know how many they were in total. But we can find out.

If half of what I've heard bout these dominion voting machines is true, the election will have to be overturned. The methods of Corruption are easily proven and if the election isn't overturned it just means that America has become a corrupt banana republic promoting an illegal puppet president. If so it is time to pack it in. There is no way the 70 million people who voted for Trump will accept it.

All of what you have heard is BS.
Trump is the man that has made a laughing stock of the USA, and is the one that has put "banana" in to the American Republic.
The moron that defunded the WHO in an international pandemic, and cannot open his mouth without lying needs to be consigned to the trash can of history.
Trump won with 3 million voted less that Clinton; Now he was lost with at least 4 million less.
Trump supporters will have to stop making arses of themselves by reading fake news everyday, and grow some brains.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:06 pm

commonsense wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:54 pm You are alleging voter fraud, not counting fraud. How do you think any additional count could change the outcome?

They are the same. The vexed question is, "Which votes ought to count?" We know there were many phony votes that were included in the original count. We just don't yet know how many they were in total. But we can find out.

There are always a small number of spoilt ballots and people trying to vote twice.
Those numbers are tiny. Fake votes, rejected are more likely to LESSEN Trump's supportnot improve it.

Say those who wanted mass murdering psychopathic warmonger Hillary to win...
Far better to be dead than to laugh...

commonsense wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 10:45 pm Illegal ballots were not counted.

Your evidence of this is...what? There's cases to show that some certainly were.

The observers were unharmed.

Oh, that's not at all the point. The question is, why were they harassed and then prevented from doing their jobs, even contrary to court orders?

No deadlines were illegally extended.

Apparently, the courts disagree with you about that. See Pennsylvania. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/live-u ... t-deadline

No lawsuit has been successful in the least.

Actually untrue. The Pennsylvania lawsuit was, as you can see; and the rest are yet to be heard. It's early days yet.

But the important point is this: why WOULDN'T Biden et al welcome an impartial vote count? Don't they want to win? And why don't you want them to have one? Don't you believe they didn't cheat? Don't you want to see them vindicated? Don't you want to see the whole matter be put beyond question?

I would think you would...unless your conviction there was no monkey business is just not very strong...?

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:37 pm

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:39 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:06 pm
They are the same. The vexed question is, "Which votes ought to count?" We know there were many phony votes that were included in the original count. We just don't yet know how many they were in total. But we can find out.

If half of what I've heard bout these dominion voting machines is true, the election will have to be overturned. The methods of Corruption are easily proven and if the election isn't overturned it just means that America has become a corrupt banana republic promoting an illegal puppet president. If so it is time to pack it in. There is no way the 70 million people who voted for Trump will accept it.

All of what you have heard is BS.
Trump is the man that has made a laughing stock of the USA, and is the one that has put "banana" in to the American Republic.
The moron that defunded the WHO in an international pandemic, and cannot open his mouth without lying needs to be consigned to the trash can of history.
Trump won with 3 million voted less that Clinton; Now he was lost with at least 4 million less.
Trump supporters will have to stop making arses of themselves by reading fake news everyday, and grow some brains.

Once computer experts prove in court how these dominion machines are hacked it will be all over. It was proven for example how 6000 votes were flipped from Trump to Biden. Once it is proven how it is done and why these machines were rejected by Texas and even by some democrats in the past it is no longer a he said she said. If it is allowed it can only mean that America is now a banana republic. I can't see 70 million Trump voters going along with such an obvious, in your face, hoax and such a gross attack on America. Enough is Enough. The principles and values responsible for America are worth defending. If not, we will all end up sucking on bananas