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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:24 am

Arising_uk wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:20 am Which post on a public forum then?

I am talking to myself, that's why.

Pity that self only talks and will NOT listen - to thy Real and True Self.

How many more times do you want me to repeat that to you?

There is only self talking to itself, no matter how that self manifests, be it on a forum format or whatever, it's all the same one self.

Self likes talking to itself, have you noticed? you are doing this action right now with yourself.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:24 amYou think there is another self apart from you, but only because you believe you are a self, and that is all that is going on here.

A lot of ASSUMING and BELIEVING going on here, which is some thing that thee Real Self does NOT do. So, who and/or what is this 'self' doing all the talking here?

Thee Real Self remains OPEN always, and asks clarifying questions, to SEE if the feedback is coming from thy True Self or from those little individual, separate and personal thinking selfs. The True Self also offers to help those selfs. Whether they take it or not is completely up to them, as the True Self does NOT force any thing at all.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:28 am

Arising_uk wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:20 am

If it's just a cathartic recreational process you could just write it privately.

So could everybody else.

When will "dontaskme" STOP contradicting its self?

Is there 'anybody else' or is there not?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:28 amWe can all keep our thoughts to ourself privately, but it takes two to tango, without you there is no me. Without a mirror I have no way of looking at myself.

So, the alleged "fictional" ones are actually REAL ones, correct?

Do you understand this dual reality?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:28 amThat's the only thing going on here. It's all part of the game the one plays with itself.

The REAL Self does NOT play these games, which only 'you', human being selves, play.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:11 amWHY does the one known as "dontaskme" say that language and rationality FUNDAMENTALLY dissects, not connects?

Also, IF this were true, then WHY does "dontaskme" USE language?

Because there would be no communication of self to self without it.

Language is what causes the artificial split in unity. Language of this nature is a unique aspect of unity in that unity apparently appears to split itself in two as duality, albeit illusory.

It's no coincidence that dogs can't talk. Knowledge is a pretense upon the silent unknowing NOW. Human language is a fake representation of truth, it's all appearances here today, gone tomorrow as if nothing ever happened or is happening..and at the same time the fake knowledge that is stored in memory, will keep on repeating, because that's all that can happen here, one repeating itself over and over again, else it doesn't exist.

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Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:21 am
The REAL Self does NOT play these games, which only 'you', human being selves, play.

Again, that which apparently appears to play with itself, NEVER plays, or EVER PLAYED.



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Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:18 amA lot of ASSUMING and BELIEVING going on here, which is some thing that thee Real Self does NOT do. So, who and/or what is this 'self' doing all the talking here?

Again, that which ONLY apparently appears to ASSUME and BELIEVE ...NEVER assumed or believed anything... EVER.

How many more times would you like this information repeated to you...will 500 more times be enough?

Without you there is no me, and that's all that is going on here..you to me and me to you, it's how the play plays.

The screen and the contents of screen may seem to appear to exist as two ...but is only one.

There is no screen without the movie, and no movie without the screen.

I throw the ball and you catch it. And vice versa. It's no big HUGE deal.

And stop saying ''you human beings'' when you know full well, that the real self is not human.

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:38 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:29 am
Okay, so there is nothing to say nor talk about in understanding SELF, simply because there is NO SELF, but this does seem to completely contradict what you also do say about "Understanding SELF is all that matters".

Yes, understanding SELF is all that matters. UNDERSTANDING that there is nothing to understand. Of course the contradiction is there, it's unavoidable when trying to discuss oneness, but you already know this, and yet your refusal to let it go, let it be, is your pedantic nature, so be it.

But it is NOT unavoidable at all. This can ALL be understood AND explained in very simple and NON contradictory terms.

Explaining AND understanding Self is a completely easy AND simple exercise, in and of itself.

And, compared to what is understood, in the days of when this is written, there is a tremendous amount MORE to be understood about thy True Self, and the human beings, themselves.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:55 am
But it is NOT unavoidable at all. This can ALL be understood AND explained in very simple and NON contradictory terms.

It is unavoidable when the word ''contradiction'' is used, for that usage in it's very usage is creating the idea of contradiction existing when it does not exist in nature AT ALL.
And yes, SELF can be understood in very simple and non-contradictory terms, in that the understanding is tacit. As soon as one attemps to explain the tacit in words it becomes contradictory, unavoidably so, as words are dual by their very nature.

Please try to understand this simple understanding.

When tacit self wants to come out to play, it uses words.

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:54 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:29 am
You can keep claiming you understand, but the Truth speaks for Its Self.

No, truth has no voice, it's silent.

Yet, here is "dontaskme" continually speaking, and saying that they KNOW thee truth.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:54 amSpeaking is a fictional story upon silence.
Please try and understand this.

Please try and understand that 'you', "dontaskme", are only confusing 'that', which REALLY is just VERY SIMPLE and VERY EASY to explain and understand. There IS, contrary to your BELIEF, nothing hard NOR complex in Life.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:29 amYou can keep making the claim, and you can keep 'trying to' "justify" your inability to explain, but WHY make a claim in the first place if you can NOT back it up?

That which only appears to make a claim as a claimer would...NEVER makes or made a claim EVER.

So, 'your' claim that "truth has no voice" is only an appearance, which NEVER made a claim EVER, correct?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:54 amYou really do not understand what I am trying to say to you, do you.

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Asking this question to "another" is about as nonsensical question as one can be.

Just maybe 'I' KNOW and UNDERSTAND far more than 'you' do. Is that even a possibility to the 'you'?

Or could it be that 'we' UNDERSTAND just as much as each "other", but 'we' use different words to explain things?

Also, whenever 'you' are challenged or questioned about what 'you' say, why do 'you' inevitably twist things around and come back with some off comment remark, instead of just LOOKING AT what is being said to 'you'.

Is your whole goal here, in this forum, to just appear as though you KNOW the Truth of things, and that 'you' are the ONLY one?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:14 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:29 amUsing the phrase "myself" implies there is some thing that HAS a self, which totally contradicts "your" non dual view of things.

'you', "dontaskme", OBVIOUSLY do NOT already understand self, nor SELF.

Yes, it's so really funny isn't it how a no self can appear to have a self. It's so unbelievably freaking hilarious, oh my god I can't stop hahahahahahahaha!!

That's the whole point, it's why the Buddha is known to have laughed so hard and long.

You don't need to point out this obvious point out to me over and over again Age, one simply cannot con a con.

Of course I do NOT 'need to' point out 'your obvious contradictions'. But if you do NOT like having them being pointed out AND shown here, over and over again, then please do NOT keep writing them, over and over again.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:14 amI know you like to inform me here that I do not understand SELF, but trust me Age, I DO, I really really really do,

If 'you' want 'me' to trust 'you', then you have to provide some reason to trust. So, WHY would I trust a person who claims some thing but when challenged on that claim, then just writes some thing like; But it can not be explained in words?

Either 'you' understand who AND what the self IS and who and what thee True Self IS, and can back this up with words OR 'you' can not. So far, 'you' have completely AND utterly FAILED.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:14 amand I also understand that I do not need to run that understanding by you first before I can be sure that the understanding is correct or not ok? ...

But 'your' words speak otherwise.

Once again 'you' make a claim, but can you substantiate it? Who (and/or what) IS this 'SELF', which you talk about and claim to understand?

The proper and correct ANSWER is a VERY easy One to KNOW and EXPLAIN.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:14 amso STOP being a clownshoe, it's starting to wear a little thin on me, so stop wasting your time and mine.

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If 'you' STOP making claims, then 'I' will STOP asking you to substantiate them. Understood? It really is that SIMPLE.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:18 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:11 am
There is a HUGE desire in that SELF to be heard AND understood, correct?

No, there's just self talking to itself, appearing to understand or not understand itself. There really is nothing more going on here than that simple apparent two way communication with itself.

It's really really not a big HUGE deal.

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I KNOW it is NOT a "big HUGE deal". It NEVER was.

I also KNOW that there is a HUGE desire in that SELF to be heard AND understood. Just LOOK AT how much has being said, (or NOT said in some cases).

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:27 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:11 amWHY does the one known as "dontaskme" say that language and rationality FUNDAMENTALLY dissects, not connects?

Also, IF this were true, then WHY does "dontaskme" USE language?

Because there would be no communication of self to self without it.

Does "dontaskme" actually BELIEVE it is thee ONLY self?

So, "dontaskme" uses language, which it insists dissects, not connects, because there would be no communication of self to self without it. The contradictions just become more and more from "dontaskme" when "dontaskme" is challenged and asked to clarify what it is that it is actually saying.

So, by 'you' so called "logic" "dontaskme" 'you' communicate with self because without it there would be none, yet KNOWING is in silence anyway, AND, although communicating with self with and through language 'you' are causing a FUNDAMENTAL DISSECTION with 'self' 'you' keep continuing to do it.

ALL seems very strange indeed.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:27 amLanguage is what causes the artificial split in unity.

But I told you ALREADY that this is NOT thee Truth of things. Thee Truth IS language CAN cause an artificial split in unity but it does NOT necessarily HAVE TO. This is because with the Right and Proper language True Unity with ALL will come to exist.

Can you even begin to fathom this concept? Or, is your BELIEF otherwise just too strong to overcome?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:27 am Language of this nature is a unique aspect of unity in that unity apparently appears to split itself in two as duality, albeit illusory.

Unity does NOT split in two. There is just a division in Unity because of the language and words that 'you' OBVIOUSLY use.

Change the language and division disappears.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:27 amIt's no coincidence that dogs can't talk.

NO coincidence in relation to WHAT exactly?

Are you under some sort of illusion that if 'you', the human being known as "dontaskme", can not understand the talk of any thing other than the human being, then those things can not talk?

Knowledge is a pretense upon the silent unknowing NOW. Human language is a fake representation of truth, it's all appearances here today, gone tomorrow as if nothing ever happened or is happening..and at the same time the fake knowledge that is stored in memory, will keep on repeating,

This continual repeating of FAKE knowledge is EXACTLY what the one known as "dontaskme" keeps doing.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:27 ambecause that's all that can happen here, one repeating itself over and over again, else it doesn't exist.

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'you', "dontaskme", are a PRIME EXAMPLE of one who will 'TRY' absolutely any and every thing to "justify" to its self WHY it does NOT yet understand the actual Truth of things/Self.

So, to 'you', if one is NOT repeating itself over and over again, then it does not exist?

The absurdity, ridiculousness, and stupidity of this comment, should be completely obvious and it speaks for itself.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:29 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:21 am
The REAL Self does NOT play these games, which only 'you', human being selves, play.

Again, that which apparently appears to play with itself, NEVER plays, or EVER PLAYED.



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So, once again, when 'you' are SHOWN the Truth, then 'you' will just contradict what you have previously stated, as though it does not matter at all now.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:08 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:54 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:29 am
You can keep claiming you understand, but the Truth speaks for Its Self.

No, truth has no voice, it's silent.

Yet, here is "dontaskme" continually speaking, and saying that they KNOW thee truth.

Nope, there is no one speaking, there's just words appearing on the blank screen of your consciousness appearing as a speaking person who wants to understand itself or not.
Again, that which appears to speak in the form of words, language and knowledge.. NEVER EVER SPOKE
a single word...did you forget that I've said this to you before?

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:29 amPlease try and understand that 'you', "dontaskme", are only confusing 'that', which REALLY is just VERY SIMPLE and VERY EASY to explain and understand. There IS, contrary to your BELIEF, nothing hard NOR complex in Life.

Please try to understand that this ''dontaskme character'' only exists as a word appearing in your consciousness, and that this character has no existence apart or separate from your consciousness. No more than the character ''Homer Simpson'' in a tv show exists spearate from the consciousness that is viewing that character...Until you get that simple realisation fixed in you mind, you will keep believing that this character dontaskme actually exists as a real thing. Please believe me when I tell you there is nothing outside of your own consciousness except what is apparently appearing to be outside it, but is actually your own consciousness appearing to be outside itself as a characterised image. And then try to remember that the characterised image out-there, is only your own reflection looking back at you, for you as consciousness have no image of yourself without that image that appears to be out-there to mirror back to you, else you do not exist..please try to understand what I am showing you, in that everyone you believe to exist out-there, is just your own mirror reflecting back at you.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:29 am
So, 'your' claim that "truth has no voice" is only an appearance, which NEVER made a claim EVER, correct?

Correct, that which appears to make a claim never did...why do you always want things that have been said to you a million times already, repeated back to you, what is wrong with you, have you lost your memory?

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:29 amJust maybe 'I' KNOW and UNDERSTAND far more than 'you' do. Is that even a possibility to the 'you'?

NO, you do not know and understand more than me, you only think you do. And the thought thing is just an illusion anyway, so it concerns me not what you think or believe, for I already know and understand SELF...and so it matters not what you think or believe otherwise. How many times do you want me to repeat that to you, would 500 more times be enough?

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:29 amOr could it be that 'we' UNDERSTAND just as much as each "other", but 'we' use different words to explain things?

Yes probably, yes, we are probably understanding the same understanding but using different words to express our same understanding.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:29 amAlso, whenever 'you' are challenged or questioned about what 'you' say, why do 'you' inevitably twist things around and come back with some off comment remark, instead of just LOOKING AT what is being said to 'you'.

Well, I could say the same thing about you, so no big surprise there.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:29 amIs your whole goal here, in this forum, to just appear as though you KNOW the Truth of things, and that 'you' are the ONLY one?

I have no goal or agenda here, you seem to have a very short memory also...I have stated umpteen times already that I come to this forum because I enjoy talking to and about thee nondual self. That's about all there is to it, I enjoy this activity, else I wouldn't do it...please just try to accept that.

Also, I have never once thought I am the only one who knows and understands the SELF...SO stop projecting that on me, which is only your own thought out assumed belief onto me as if it was mine, for it is not..

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Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:37 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:29 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:21 am
The REAL Self does NOT play these games, which only 'you', human being selves, play.

Again, that which apparently appears to play with itself, NEVER plays, or EVER PLAYED.



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So, once again, when 'you' are SHOWN the Truth, then 'you' will just contradict what you have previously stated, as though it does not matter at all now.

So again, I have no idea what the heck you are going on about now, for me, the contradiction is unavoidable, since oneness appearing as the many IS unavoidably a contradiction. What on earth are you trying to achieve with all this constant back and forth shit?

If your answer is nothing, then shut the shit up, and give your lips a rest from their constant wagging.



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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:33 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:18 amA lot of ASSUMING and BELIEVING going on here, which is some thing that thee Real Self does NOT do. So, who and/or what is this 'self' doing all the talking here?

Again, that which ONLY apparently appears to ASSUME and BELIEVE ...NEVER assumed or believed anything... EVER.

Again WRONG.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:33 amHow many more times would you like this information repeated to you...will 500 more times be enough?

But WHY just keep repeating WRONG information? Just so 'you' KNOW 'you' exist? Which was your logic and conclusion before.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:33 amWithout you there is no me,

So, now there is two. But before there is no 'you', as there is only SELF.

How many times are you going to keep talking before you STOP contradicting 'your' self?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:33 amand that's all that is going on here..you to me and me to you, it's how the play plays.

But as I keep telling you IT DOES NOT HAVE TO. There is a much simpler AND easier way to explain what it is that you are 'trying to' explain.

How many times does this NEED to be told to you?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:33 amThe screen and the contents of screen may seem to appear to exist as two ...but is only one.

Yet 'you' just said without 'me' there is no 'you'. Just ANOTHER contradiction in the story telling of "dontaskme".

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:33 amThere is no screen without the movie, and no movie without the screen.

So what?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:33 amI throw the ball and you catch it. And vice versa. It's no big HUGE deal.

Yet the deal is 'you' sometimes say there is only SELF, while at other times 'you' say there is a 'you' and a 'me'. When will 'you' STOP being so completely contradictory and wrong?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:33 amAnd stop saying ''you human beings'' when you know full well, that the real self is not human.

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Yes the Real Self is NOT a human being, OBVIOUSLY. But WHY does that mean 'I' should stop talking to 'you', human beings, and saying 'you', human beings?

'your' comment just now explains a GREAT DEAL about WHY 'you' do NOT yet Truly understand this.