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bahman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:20 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 1:47 am

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:14 pm
You are no serious. The story of Adam and Eve is about creation rather than evolution.

Yes I am. I am VERY, VERY SERIOUS.

The story is about evolution (as much as it is about creation).

eve FROM adam. adam FROM earth.

Things coming FROM one other thing and changing into some thing else. Things evolving. Therefore, evolution.

See 'you', human beings, have been disputing over whether it is creation OR evolution, for quite a while now, when the actual Truth IS it has ALWAYS NEVER been a 'one OR the other' discussion, as it is a 'one AND the other' discussion.

Creation AND evolution play and EQUAL part.

'you', human beings, have been 'MISSING THE MARK' for thousands of years now.

Just to be CLEAR, thee ANSWER to EVERY other one of your disputed 'one OR the other' discussions is also found in LOOKING AT them as 'one AND the other'. For example, 'nature AND nurture', 'free will AND determinism', and ALL of the other ones.

So, why the bible is not written in a proper language to help people to understand evolution?

Because like EVERY thing that gets said and passed on it can also extremely quickly get misinterpreted and/or misunderstood, completely or partly.

'you', human beings, mostly only LOOK AT and SEE things, from assumptions based on previous experiences. you also listen from and hear things from this perspective as well. So, what gets said to you, human beings, you can all to quickly translate what is told you incorrectly, and then pass on that incorrect message as though it is true, right, and correct. Have you heard of "chinese whispers" or the "telephone game" before?

If yes, then I hope you understand what I am saying here.

The bible can only be written in the language that the human being, through their hands writes it, has. So, whatever way the writer interprets or misinterprets things or the way they understand or misunderstand what has been translated or relayed to them, is the language that is going to be put in writing, and written down as "this is the word of God".

There are plenty of evidence throughout this thread where, for example, I say some thing, but what is heard or interpreted and translated, and then relayed back at times can be the exact opposite of what I actually said AND meant. Absolute EVERY human beings is fallible like this, INCLUDING the ones who wrote the bible.

Also people NEED to learn for themselves. Religious literature like science literature is here to help guide you so that you can learn HOW to DISCOVER and SEE things for yourselves. Books are NOT here to SHOW you what the actual Truth of ALL things ARE, once and for ALL. The Truth is WITHIN 'you'. 'you' just need to be guided how reveal thee Truth from WITH-IN.

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:20 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 1:47 am

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:14 pm
There are 8.7 million species! They need food, shelter,...

What do you think the ship, or ark, called EARTH is providing ALL of them?

While you are at it, WHO do you think are the ones flooding/polluting/suffocating that existence, and so now a new boat, ship, ark, home, et cetera is being looked for as to escape the flood/extinction that is coming?

You, obviously, can only pollute one place so much before you have to pack every one up and move or ship on out.

So you think that the ship was earth?

Stories could be about absolutely ANY thing.

I do NOT know the EXACT story, which was told to the writer/relayer of the ark story. In fact, I am not even sure of what EXACT story you have heard, how it was told to you, and in what way you have interpreted exactly either. I have NOT LOOKED INTO this enough to make up any view yet.

I just posed two questions to you, and then stated the fact that you can only pollute one place so much before you have to leave it. Could the word 'flood' be in relation 'pollute', or does it literally HAVE TO do with rain and water?

I do NOT know. I had never really thought about this before, until it came in discussion, whenever that was a few weeks ago or so.

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:41 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:40 am

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:29 pm
1) We are minds, 2) we interact through physical,... I think these two are obvious enough.

I DID ask for you to provide what you BELIEVE and NOT what you THINK.

So,

1) Do you BELIEVE 'we' are minds?

Yes.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:40 am 2) Do you BELIEVE 'we' interact through physical?

Yes.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:40 am

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:29 pm
They are both powerful.

To say and admit that BOTH God and satan are powerful is to also admit that BOTH exist, correct?

Yes.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:40 am

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:29 pm
Devils are spiritual beings who do evil.

Okay great.

Now, who besides human beings do evil?

Devils.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:40 am None that I can think of.

Of course Devils exist.

In what shape or form?

What do they look like?

Where and how do they exist?

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:41 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:40 am 'Human beings', are partly made up of 'spiritual beings'. To me, the 'human' in 'human being' is just the physical part - the 'human' body. And, the 'being' part in 'human being' is just the spiritual part - the 'being' or the non visible thoughts and feelings within the 'physical body'.

Now, EVERY adult human being has good/right and bad/wrong thoughts. It can be argued, very easily and simply, that when the human body part is doing what is wrong or bad, then that body is doing evil. That 'wrong/bad' doing, by the human physical part, is being controlled, by the 'wrong/bad' thinking spiritual (or being) part. So, when some (physical) 'body' is doing some thing bad or wrong, then it is the 'd/evil' (spiritual) 'being', which is orchestrating/controlling/driving that.

So, although the physical body part is the thing that is seen as doing 'evil', the actual thing doing (controlling) the 'evil' is the 'spiritual being', from within the body.

If ANY 'body' is seen to be doing Good, then that is coming from the Good, or the God 'spiritual being' part, of the 'human being'. And conversely, if ANY 'body' is seen to be doing Wrong, then that is coming from the Wrong, or the D/evil 'spiritual being' part, of the 'human being'.

It is ALL very simple and easy really.

I don't agree with your interpretation. We can become Devils but there are spiritual beings who are not human and do evil.

Is that all you would like to say, or would you like to explain how this could possibly be?

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:41 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:40 am

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:29 pm
It appears to me that you do not have enough spiritual experience as you speak of Satan as wrong thinking. Satan is a being like me and you but much more powerful.

Do you think or believe that you have ENOUGH 'spiritual experience' to make the judgement call that you are here?

If you think or believe that you have enough 'spiritual experience', then WHY do you not just explain 'what is Truly right and Truly wrong in Life'?

Also, could you have misinterpreted or misunderstood any thing that I have said and written?

I thought I had ALREADY explained, but I obviously have not done it enough and/or not in a simply enough way to be understood yet.

I am NOT sure how you mistook 'satan' as being 'wrong thinking', especially considering I clearly wrote that the 'devil' or 'wrong' thinking is controlled by the master 'satan'. 'satan' just being BELIEFS, or the BELIEF-system.

See, the thinking that goes on within the human body is controlled by BELIEFS (and to a lesser extend ASSUMPTIONS). Just exactly like I have been writing down and explaining for quiet a while now throughout this forum.

The wrong thinking within adult human bodies is the d/evil 'spiritual being', this thinking/being is controlled by their master 'satan' - the BELIEF-system.
Whereas,
The Good thinking within all human bodies is the good 'spiritual being', this thinking/being is 'tried to be' controlled by 'satan' - the BELIEF-system.

But this "BELIEF-system" can be overcome (or overridden) by NEVER believing nor assuming any thing.

ALL thinking controls how the human body behaves, or misbehaves.

Again, I don't agree with your interpretation. Satan is a being. He talks to me, I have seen Him,...

What kind of 'being'?

What does it say?

How do you know it is a 'he'?

What does it look like?

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:41 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:40 am

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:29 pm
I am open to other points of view.

I have heard this countless times before, but unfortunately the BELIEF-system is the one that is really controlling you.

Get rid of the BELIEFS and ASSUMPTIONS completely, only then is when you are REALLY OPEN to other points of view.

I don't live with assumptions.

Do you BELIEVE this?

Also, if you do not live with assumptions, then what do you live with?

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:01 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 3:53 am

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:44 pm
I think that we are evolving interacting minds.

Do you KNOW the difference between the two questions;
1. What do you 'believe'? And,
2. What do you think?

If you do, then when I ask you, What do you 'believe', then your reply would NOT start with, "I think ...".

Now either you 'believe' some thing, or you do not.

If it is the latter, then just say so. But if it is the former, then just say what it is that you 'believe'.

When, and if, you do that, then we can move onto what this 'minds' thing is exactly, which you speak about?

In this forum I do not argue on what I believe but what I think. And of course, I know the difference between believing and thinking.

So, why when I asked you, "What do you 'believe' ", you then started with, "I think ..."?

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:01 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 3:53 am

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:44 pm
This thread is about the origin of evil given the fact that the story within the Bible is literal and correct.

If we are to say, accept, and agree that God creates EVERY thing, and, if we are to say, accept, and agree that 'evil' exists, then OBVIOUSLY God creates 'evil'. End of story? Or, do you not say, not accept, and/or not agree that God creates EVERY thing? And/or, do you not say, not accept, and/or not agree that 'evil' exists? So, what is it?

What I am arguing which is apparently what you believe is that God created evil nature in Satan.

But I do NOT believe any such thing at all.

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:01 am

Age wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:14 am Also, when you say that the FACT IS the stories within the bible ARE literal and correct, then what do you actually mean? What are you basing this supposed and alleged fact on exactly?

I mean that the story really happened in the past as it stated.

What story? You will have to remind, I have forgotten what story we were talking about exactly.

Also, when did 'it' (whatever 'it' is) happen?

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:01 am

Age wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:14 am And, WHO's interpretation of the literal interpretation are we ALL going to accept and agree with as being CORRECT?

There is no interpretation when something is literal.

Age wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:14 am To say, "The fact that the story within the bible is literal and correct" is a huge monumental CLAIM.

People used to believe these stories as being literal. Now some don't because of facts that they are facing. Why the bible is written in a language that misleads some.

Age wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:14 am

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:44 pm
Why only truly intelligent people?

Because ONLY the Truly intelligent ones are able to discover and learn new and more things.

'Intelligence' just means being OPEN, to be able to discover and learn new and more things.

That is not the meaning of intelligent.

If you say so, then it must be TRUE, correct?

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:01 am

Age wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:14 am

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:44 pm Spiritual reality is very confusing when you notice that everyone there can put thoughts into your mind.

1. So called "spiritual reality" may be very confusing to 'you', but 'you' are NOT every one.

2. I do NOT have a "mind'. Therefore, 'thoughts' can NOT be put into this non-thing.

3. Thoughts get shared about. But this does NOT mean that confusion can not be defended against.

If, 'you', human beings, are confused, and do NOT know how to get out of that confusion that you are in, then that is one thing. But making the claim that some things are NOT YET KNOWN, when you do NOT know EVERY thing, is another thing.

What I am telling you is the result of two decades of spiritual experience.

Considering for how many years human beings and spirituality have been around for, then your 20 years of spiritual experience would KNOW far more, correct?

From your responses so far, you have not been telling me much at all. If you are meant to be telling me any thing, then your one line responses are telling me nothing really.

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:01 am

Age wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:14 am

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:44 pm
Growing through evolution is a mess.

ONLY IF that is how you observe and see things.

Absolutely EVERY thing is relative to the observer.

To me, evolving within Creation is pure Bliss and Perfection. The order of things are exactly where they are meant to be.

Although 'you', human beings, are making a mess of things, this can and will be overcome, once you become OPEN enough again, to discover and learn HOW to change your lives around.

The mess is real.

Age wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:14 am

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:44 pm We have to eat each other, kill each other,... to make sure that we have a secure life.

LOL

The blatantly obvious and absurd contradiction here speaks for itself.

You did say and mean, "We HAVE TO eat and kill each other to MAKE SURE we have a SECURE life", right?

Killing and eating is a part of evolution. Isn't it?

Age wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:14 am

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:44 pm
So, you don't believe in spiritual reality?

Besides the FACT that I neither believe nor disbelieve any thing, I have absolutely NO idea how you could even make such an ASSUMPTION as this.

By the way, what do you mean by 'spiritual reality'?

To me, the spiritual plays an EQUAL part as the physical does. As is OBVIOUS and EVIDENCED in what I write and say here. in this forum.

By spiritual reality, I mean the reality that is not material. By matter, I mean the stuff that we experience, table, chair, etc.

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:04 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 3:55 am

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:49 pm
What word would you like that I define?

The ones that I had asked you earlier.

Do you mind to tell it?

I would if I could remember them.

Can you remember them?

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:21 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 4:40 am

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:02 pm
I am just asking a question. As I stated this thread is about the origin of evil given the fact that the story within the Bible is literal.


I am challenging people's beliefs.

But this is NOT what you are really doing at all.

What you are really doing is, you are just 'trying to' quash "others" competing BELIEFS, so that your BELIEFS can be reinforced. You have a BELIEF, this contradicts "others" BELIEFS, therefore, to make your BELIEFS true, right, and correct, you have to somehow rid the BELIEFS that "others" have. All you are, essentially, really doing is 'trying to' get "others" to BELIEVE what you BELIEVE is true, right, and correct.

Instead of pretending to be "challenging "other's" beliefs" what would be a much better and a far more helpful thing to is for ALL of 'you', adult human beings, to CHALLENGE, by questioning, your OWN BELIEFS with absolute and full Honesty and OPENNESS.

I already challenged my own system of belief enough.

Age wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:29 am

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:02 pm
How do you know? Have you been there?

Through continuous experiential studying.

What do you think happens when a male human being successfully procreates with a female human being?

If you are unsure, then they create a human being.

If you are still unaware ALL human beings ARE Created, this way. Therefore, ALL human beings ARE Created. Full stop.

And if you are not yet aware the process of continual Creation happens with and through evolution.

How I KNOW this? is again through continuous experiential studying.

Have I been "there", which is really just HERE? yes.

Procreating is different from creating.

Age wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:29 am

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:02 pm
Nature: Inherent or basic features of something. Our nature is partly good and partly evil. I have already given you an instance of good and evil so I hope that you know what I mean.

If 'Nature' is the inherent or basic feature of some thing, then it is NOT created. It is just within, NATURALLY.

That is only true if the entity is not created.

Age wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:29 am Nature exists no matter what. So Nature can NOT be created nor destroyed.

'you', human beings, have the ability to do good or wrong. But to do either is not necessarily your nature.

Human beings 'nature' is to discover and learn. This is what they NATURALLY do. Whether they do good or wrong is solely depended upon the past experiences of one. What is good and what is wrong is learned, and, doing what is wrong or doing what is good is also learned.

If any thing human beings have a natural tendency to do what is good rather than do what is wrong.

So, continually 'trying to' bring some misconception that the "nature' of human beings is partly 'evil' is only because you are 'trying to' back up and support some BELIEF that you are holding onto now. It is also a way to self-"justify" one's own wrong doing.

I KNOW what you are 'trying to' mean. But the Truth will ALWAYS override that.

I think that you agree that feeling pride is the result of an evil nature.

Age wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:29 am

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:02 pm
We kill each other. That is evil.

Why is it evil?

And WHY do you kill each other when the Truth IS obviously that you DO NOT HAVE TO?

Also, just a very short while ago you said, and thus were 'trying to' "justify" that, "We have to eat each other, kill each other,... to make sure that we have a secure life."

IF, as you propose, you HAVE TO kill each other, (to contradictory and laughably, supposedly "survive") then surely that would then NOT be 'evil'.

But maybe when you use and say the word 'evil' you mean some thing else completely different from what I do. So, what do you actually mean when you use and say the word 'evil'?

We are simply imposed to a condition that we sometimes have to do evil. That is called life.

Age wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:29 am

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:02 pm
It is a very relevant question.

If an 'evil nature' was created, then is the act of creating that good or evil?

What do you propose is the answer to your OWN question.

First you would have to KNOW what 'evil' actually means.

Also, I have already explained HOW that 'act', if possible, can be good and can be evil.

Remember, absolutely EVERY thing is relative to the observer.

The act of killing is evil. It is not relative. The act of creating someone with the evil nature is evil.

Age wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:29 am

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:02 pm
Creation is an act of bringing something to existence from nothing.

What about defining the other words, just like I suggested doing.

But now that you have defined the word 'creation' as; an act of bringing something to existence from nothing.

Now would you like to share how it is actually possible to bring some thing from no thing?

I cannot do that. God according to some people belief apparently did that.

Age wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:29 am As I have said earlier, once you HAVE and KNOW the complete definitions of words, then you WILL HAVE thee ANSWERS to the Truth of ALL things.

I don't think so.

Age wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:29 am

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:02 pm
My argument is very simple and valid in its current form.

If your argument is very simple and valid in its current form, then what is there to discuss.

If your so called "argument" is valid, then what is there that you are questioning exactly?

Also, how about writing your current so called "argument" in point form down again, so that I can actually SEE it.

You have previously informed me that this thread is about; the origin of evil given the fact that the story within the Bible is literal and correct.

So, how about again explaining, in the most simplest, point form argument, just HOW the bible is literal AND correct, then explain what 'evil' means to you, and then explain what IS the origin of 'evil' exactly again?

If you ALREADY have a "current simple and valid argument", then it will NOT be hard at all to bring it to light, again and/or now.

Ok, here you can find in the close form:
1) God created everything
2) Evil exists
3) Therefore God created evil

Is this a sound and valid argument?

If yes, then great. All you have to do now is just define what 'God' means, define what 'evil' means, and define how God creates, then alls well that ends well.

If no, then why not?

Age wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:05 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:10 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 1:28 am

EXACTLY what I have been SAYING.

And as I have been saying, this fits in perfectly with religious and scientific writings to form a picture perfect view of the actual Truth of things or ALL-THERE-IS.

I am afraid that I cannot see how this fits to scientific picture. Do you mind to elaborate?

I forget what it was that we were talking about, as it was over two weeks ago now.

Would you like to remind us?

It was about the story of Satan who felt pride.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:07 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:15 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 1:32 am

Okay, makes perfect sense.

Ok. It seems that we are in the same room.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 1:32 am

How can it be off-topic.

Or, maybe it is only "off-topic", to you, because it does not fit in with your own already held BELIEFS and ASSUMPTIONS of things here?

Not really. Here we are discussing about the origin of evil. Whether evil is the opposite of good or absence of good is the subject of another thread.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 1:32 am

I thought you had already arrived at the conclusion that God created EVERY thing?

If this correct?

If no, then what was the conclusion that you had arrived at earlier on?

Ok. I think we agreed that the feeling of pride is due to the evil nature.

But I am not sure I see an 'evil' nature.

What do you propose is the 'evil' nature?

In this context evil nature causes pride.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:41 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:41 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:40 am

I DID ask for you to provide what you BELIEVE and NOT what you THINK.

So,

1) Do you BELIEVE 'we' are minds?

Yes.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:40 am 2) Do you BELIEVE 'we' interact through physical?

Yes.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:40 am

To say and admit that BOTH God and satan are powerful is to also admit that BOTH exist, correct?

Yes.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:40 am

Okay great.

Now, who besides human beings do evil?

Devils.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:40 am None that I can think of.

Of course Devils exist.

In what shape or form?

What do they look like?

They can take shape they wish.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:40 am Where and how do they exist?

Some are omnipresent. Some live in another dimension that we don't have access to it.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:40 am

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:41 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:40 am 'Human beings', are partly made up of 'spiritual beings'. To me, the 'human' in 'human being' is just the physical part - the 'human' body. And, the 'being' part in 'human being' is just the spiritual part - the 'being' or the non visible thoughts and feelings within the 'physical body'.

Now, EVERY adult human being has good/right and bad/wrong thoughts. It can be argued, very easily and simply, that when the human body part is doing what is wrong or bad, then that body is doing evil. That 'wrong/bad' doing, by the human physical part, is being controlled, by the 'wrong/bad' thinking spiritual (or being) part. So, when some (physical) 'body' is doing some thing bad or wrong, then it is the 'd/evil' (spiritual) 'being', which is orchestrating/controlling/driving that.

So, although the physical body part is the thing that is seen as doing 'evil', the actual thing doing (controlling) the 'evil' is the 'spiritual being', from within the body.

If ANY 'body' is seen to be doing Good, then that is coming from the Good, or the God 'spiritual being' part, of the 'human being'. And conversely, if ANY 'body' is seen to be doing Wrong, then that is coming from the Wrong, or the D/evil 'spiritual being' part, of the 'human being'.

It is ALL very simple and easy really.

I don't agree with your interpretation. We can become Devils but there are spiritual beings who are not human and do evil.

Is that all you would like to say, or would you like to explain how this could possibly be?

I don't know what do you want me to explain.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:40 am

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:41 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:40 am
Do you think or believe that you have ENOUGH 'spiritual experience' to make the judgement call that you are here?

If you think or believe that you have enough 'spiritual experience', then WHY do you not just explain 'what is Truly right and Truly wrong in Life'?

Also, could you have misinterpreted or misunderstood any thing that I have said and written?

I thought I had ALREADY explained, but I obviously have not done it enough and/or not in a simply enough way to be understood yet.

I am NOT sure how you mistook 'satan' as being 'wrong thinking', especially considering I clearly wrote that the 'devil' or 'wrong' thinking is controlled by the master 'satan'. 'satan' just being BELIEFS, or the BELIEF-system.

See, the thinking that goes on within the human body is controlled by BELIEFS (and to a lesser extend ASSUMPTIONS). Just exactly like I have been writing down and explaining for quiet a while now throughout this forum.

The wrong thinking within adult human bodies is the d/evil 'spiritual being', this thinking/being is controlled by their master 'satan' - the BELIEF-system.
Whereas,
The Good thinking within all human bodies is the good 'spiritual being', this thinking/being is 'tried to be' controlled by 'satan' - the BELIEF-system.

But this "BELIEF-system" can be overcome (or overridden) by NEVER believing nor assuming any thing.

ALL thinking controls how the human body behaves, or misbehaves.

Again, I don't agree with your interpretation. Satan is a being. He talks to me, I have seen Him,...

What kind of 'being'?

They are being. They are just not like us.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:40 am What does it say?

All sort of things.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:40 am How do you know it is a 'he'?

Actually Satan can look like she too. They are spirit so generally, they don't have a gender.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:40 am What does it look like?

All sort of things.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:40 am

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:41 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:40 am

I have heard this countless times before, but unfortunately the BELIEF-system is the one that is really controlling you.

Get rid of the BELIEFS and ASSUMPTIONS completely, only then is when you are REALLY OPEN to other points of view.

I don't live with assumptions.

Do you BELIEVE this?

Also, if you do not live with assumptions, then what do you live with?

I live with facts.

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:17 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:41 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:41 am
Yes.


Yes.


Yes.


Devils.


Of course Devils exist.

In what shape or form?

What do they look like?

They can take shape they wish.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:40 am Where and how do they exist?

Some are omnipresent. Some live in another dimension that we don't have access to it.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:40 am

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:41 am
I don't agree with your interpretation. We can become Devils but there are spiritual beings who are not human and do evil.

Is that all you would like to say, or would you like to explain how this could possibly be?

I don't know what do you want me to explain.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:40 am

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:41 am
Again, I don't agree with your interpretation. Satan is a being. He talks to me, I have seen Him,...

What kind of 'being'?

They are being. They are just not like us.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:40 am What does it say?

All sort of things.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:40 am How do you know it is a 'he'?

Actually Satan can look like she too. They are spirit so generally, they don't have a gender.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:40 am What does it look like?

All sort of things.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:40 am

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:41 am
I don't live with assumptions.

Do you BELIEVE this?

Also, if you do not live with assumptions, then what do you live with?

I live with facts.

Do you live with only facts?

Age wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:25 am

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:17 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:41 pm
In what shape or form?

What do they look like?

They can take shape they wish.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:40 am Where and how do they exist?

Some are omnipresent. Some live in another dimension that we don't have access to it.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:40 am
Is that all you would like to say, or would you like to explain how this could possibly be?

I don't know what do you want me to explain.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:40 am
What kind of 'being'?

They are being. They are just not like us.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:40 am What does it say?

All sort of things.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:40 am How do you know it is a 'he'?

Actually Satan can look like she too. They are spirit so generally, they don't have a gender.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:40 am What does it look like?

All sort of things.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:40 am

Do you BELIEVE this?

Also, if you do not live with assumptions, then what do you live with?

I live with facts.

Do you live with only facts?

Yes, I am old and experienced enough.

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:12 pm

Age wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:25 am

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:17 pm
They can take shape they wish.


Some are omnipresent. Some live in another dimension that we don't have access to it.


I don't know what do you want me to explain.


They are being. They are just not like us.


All sort of things.


Actually Satan can look like she too. They are spirit so generally, they don't have a gender.


All sort of things.


I live with facts.

Do you live with only facts?

Yes, I am old and experienced enough.

Okay. Considering you live with ONLY facts, now I know that if I want to get to the truth of some thing, then all I need to do is just come to you for the True and Right Accurate answer, correct?

Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:02 am

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:12 pm

Age wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:25 am

Do you live with only facts?

Yes, I am old and experienced enough.

Okay. Considering you live with ONLY facts, now I know that if I want to get to the truth of some thing, then all I need to do is just come to you for the True and Right Accurate answer, correct?

There are a set of things which I think are correct based on facts and arguments.

bahman wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:20 pm

Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:02 am

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:12 pm
Yes, I am old and experienced enough.

Okay. Considering you live with ONLY facts, now I know that if I want to get to the truth of some thing, then all I need to do is just come to you for the True and Right Accurate answer, correct?

There are a set of things which I think are correct based on facts and arguments.

If those 'set of things' are based on FACTS, then what would there be to dispute about them?

If some thing is based on FACT, then it MUST be True, Right, and Correct, correct?

Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:58 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:20 pm

Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:02 am

Okay. Considering you live with ONLY facts, now I know that if I want to get to the truth of some thing, then all I need to do is just come to you for the True and Right Accurate answer, correct?

There are a set of things which I think are correct based on facts and arguments.

If those 'set of things' are based on FACTS, then what would there be to dispute about them?

Correct.

Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:58 pm If some thing is based on FACT, then it MUST be True, Right, and Correct, correct?

Correct.