Philosophy Now Forum

Logik wrote: ↑Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:36 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:21 pm Actually we may not be sitting ducks at all. If consciousness stems from space and through space, evidenced by "⊙" as a symbol, the human soul may in fact be immortal. Suffering may just be a form of growth by inverting nothingness into being.

There's zero empirical evidence for this. I wouldn't bet my ass on the off-chance that got the symbol-manipulation right.

Everything exists through cycles thread.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:21 pm Yes...I suppose it could all be gone in a flash, but it really doesn't stop a flash from restarting it all now does it?

Sure. But as long as we are here, assuming that the world has structure, and assuming that we can model it. It's useful!

We are having some success with that stupid idea.

No, we are just making the world more complex than it needs to be and dissolving ourselves in the process.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:21 pm Russel contradict's himself on his own terms. Same with Godel. They are two sides of the same coin.

You still seek non-contradiction in this mad universe? Perfect is the enemy of good enough!

I never said contradiction or paradox is not perfect.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:01 pm Yes, get rid of idea.

And replace it with what?

Why?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:21 pm
Maybe so...but even monkeys stair into the stars.

Keep on lookin' up! But if you want to get there you are going to have figure out how to live a tad longer than 65 years...

It remains to be seen.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:05 pm ]No, we are just making the world more complex than it needs to be and dissolving ourselves in the process.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:05 pm I never said contradiction or paradox is not perfect.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:05 pm Why?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:05 pm It remains to be seen.

Logik wrote: ↑Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:09 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:05 pm ]No, we are just making the world more complex than it needs to be and dissolving ourselves in the process.

Complexity is a property of the universe. Not of our understanding.

The universe is the most complex thing in existence!

It's not going to get any easier just because we want to cure cancer... The universe owes us nothing.

It does owe is nothing, hence trying to reorganize it only causes further problems to occur as we can expect nothing from it.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:05 pm I never said contradiction or paradox is not perfect.

Ok, then what are the criteria for that which you seek?

And what is the criteria for such a question?



The Metaphysics Theory which you so desire?

There is no desire for a theory.



What properties will it have if/when you find it?

If I haven't found it what type of properties would I know it to consist of?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:05 pm Why?

Why not?

He who has a why can bear any how.

And those with how's are still left with why's.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:05 pm It remains to be seen.

Well, it doesn't solve itself. People work their asses off to add to the body of knowledge.

It's paying off. Albeit slowly. But it is a team effort...

We will see...knowledge can be destroyed when subject to group agreement.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:01 am It does owe is nothing, hence trying to reorganize it only causes further problems to occur as we can expect nothing from it.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:01 am And those with how's are still left with why's.

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:34 am The Universe is completely indifferent to our attempts at trying to understand it which we never fully will
The why questions are only important to us but may be entirely meaningless as it exists just because it can
Saying it is complex is also a subjective interpretation on our part based upon how much we still dont know
If we totally understood it it would not be complex to us as we would know perfectly well how it functioned