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Re: Constructing a God Type Table

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:04 pm
by Dontaskme
uwot wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:44 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:21 pmI asked where do ideas come from? ..not that they come from other ideas...
Here's an idea for you: frogs can survive on a diet of marmite. Granted it's not a very good idea, but it can be tested and if you are cruel enough, you can do so. The individual letters are not ideas in themselves, but they can be structured in such a way that they can represent ideas. I think the misapprehension that you are under is that any string of letters represents a coherent idea.
I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

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Re: Constructing a God Type Table

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:36 pm
by Harbal
Dontaskme wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:04 pm
I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
That makes a change; you usually have no idea of what you are talking about.

Re: Constructing a God Type Table

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:46 pm
by Dontaskme
Harbal wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:36 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:04 pm
I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
That makes a change; you usually have no idea of what you are talking about.
😂😂😂😂

I have no idea what I’m talking about....it’s all but sound just bubbling up from the silence.

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Re: Constructing a God Type Table

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:56 pm
by Harbal
Dontaskme wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:46 pm
I have no idea what I’m talking about....it’s all but sound just bubbling up from the silence.
:wink:

Re: Constructing a God Type Table

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:06 pm
by Dontaskme
Harbal wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:56 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:46 pm
I have no idea what I’m talking about....it’s all but sound just bubbling up from the silence.
:wink:
I have an apple for you dearest teacher...🍎...bite me.

Re: Constructing a God Type Table

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:08 pm
by Harbal
Dontaskme wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:06 pm
I have an apple for you dearest teacher...🍎...bite me.
:D

Re: Constructing a God Type Table

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:12 am
by seeds
seeds wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:02 pm Use that rich and bountiful imagination of yours to visualize every human on the entire planet having absolute confidence in an irrefutable guarantee that all they have to do is find a quick and easy way of gently exiting their body and they will find themselves birthed and awakened into their true and ultimate form.
Greta wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:12 am Would you anticipate mass suicide?
Don’t turn the question back at me. What do YOU anticipate?
Greta wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:12 am However, all models that posit a realm as you describe also claim that it is only within this life where one can impact on reality, to do and achieve.
Greta, you have got to be kidding me, right?

After all of my incessant posting of a theory that suggests that we are each imbued with a “seed-like” potential of eventually being able to create our own universe out of the inner mental fabric of our very own being, you nevertheless say that “ALL MODELS” of the realm I am describing posit the ending of “doing” and “achieving.”

Now I am in no way implying that my theory (my “model”) cannot be woefully delusional and wrong, but can you at least make an effort to understand where I am coming from?

Now getting back to this “impact” business:

It is not incumbent upon any of us to make an impact on this reality.

As far as I can tell, there are only two things expected of us.

The first one is mandatory (as in we have no choice in the matter), and that is...

1. Receive the gift of life.

And the second one is optional (as in it is entirely our decision), and that is...

2. Be a part of the process and workings through-which life is given (as in bear and raise children).

Everything else...

(assuming that eternal life in a higher context of reality is actually true)

...is nothing more than filler and entertainment until the event of death.

The point is that after we are born out of our bodies and literally born out of this universe, we are no more expected to make an impact on this reality than we are expected to make an impact on our mother’s womb after being born out of her.
Greta wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:12 am Knowing all this - both the joy and relative impotence of "the other dimension" - then humanity could live their lives and make what they could happen, shaping reality as they thought right, confident in the fact that a happy ending was in store for all.
Are you implying that humanity would be so unimpressed with the sky literally opening up and revealing the truth of our ultimate form and eternal destiny that we would simply brush it off and carry on as if nothing has changed?

As an addendum to my earlier thought experiment, let’s imagine that right within your own home, perhaps right next to that drum kit of yours, there exists an open “doorway” into the next dimension.

Do you actually believe that even though you could literally see the amazing context of reality we’ve been referencing, along with the knowledge that you can pass through the “doorway” and lay claim to your fantastic destiny whenever you so desire, that it would not impinge upon your every waking thought?

Do you actually think that the turnings of the cogs and gears of the earth’s human societies...

(i.e., the divergent religions; the false assumptions of materialism; the arbitrary divisions and hierarchies upon which societies are formed, etc.)

...would not come to a screeching halt?

If you think that life would simply carry on as normal, then I suggest that you have failed miserably in applying critical thought to the issue.
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Re: Constructing a God Type Table

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:09 am
by Reflex
A Course in Consciousness might explain what DAM is talking about. Even so, the teachings are sealed except to the open mind.

Re: Constructing a God Type Table

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:41 am
by seeds
Reflex wrote: Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:09 am A Course in Consciousness might explain what DAM is talking about. Even so, the teachings are sealed except to the open mind.
A little girl with a terminal illness asks:

“What’s going to happen to me when I die?”

As far as I am concerned, if any concept concerning our ultimate destiny cannot be simplified to the point of being able to create a genuine sense of hope when whispered into that little girl’s ear...

...then it is useless.
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Re: Constructing a God Type Table

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:11 am
by Reflex
seeds wrote: Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:41 am
Reflex wrote: Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:09 am A Course in Consciousness might explain what DAM is talking about. Even so, the teachings are sealed except to the open mind.
A little girl with a terminal illness asks:

“What’s going to happen to me when I die?”

As far as I am concerned, if any concept concerning our ultimate destiny cannot be simplified to the point of being able to create a genuine sense of hope when whispered into that little girl’s ear...

...then it is useless.
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I agree. Although I understand what DAM says, I am uncomfortable with over-emphasizing the illusory aspect of the self.

Re: Constructing a God Type Table

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:39 am
by Greta
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Re: Constructing a God Type Table

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:51 am
by Greta
Reflex wrote: Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:11 am
seeds wrote: Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:41 am
Reflex wrote: Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:09 am A Course in Consciousness might explain what DAM is talking about. Even so, the teachings are sealed except to the open mind.
A little girl with a terminal illness asks:

“What’s going to happen to me when I die?”

As far as I am concerned, if any concept concerning our ultimate destiny cannot be simplified to the point of being able to create a genuine sense of hope when whispered into that little girl’s ear...

...then it is useless.
I agree. Although I understand what DAM says, I am uncomfortable with over-emphasizing the illusory aspect of the self.
Should we then reduce our paradigms to that which can be told to a terrified little dying girl? Harden up FFS. If the movie classification board adopted your standards then Bambi would be banned for extreme themes.

Our destiny is unknown. We don't know so there's no point pretending that we do unless telling comforting white lies to the especially vulnerable.


Re: illusory. No aspects of what we think of as the self are "illusory", just more or less temporal.

All this "illusion" crap is lazy. It would have been a cool metaphor some centuries ago. This is an illusion. That is an illusion. No they bloody aren't illusions. Illusions are illusions. The self is the self, one of those ambiguous concepts with multiple meanings like "God" (which was the point of this thread), "consciousness" and "love".

Real things are variably ephemeral, but it's simply crass and lazy to deem the various forms of ephemera to be "mere illusion" in the 21st century without differentiation.

Re: Constructing a God Type Table

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:43 am
by Reflex
Greta wrote: Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:51 am
Reflex wrote: Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:11 am
seeds wrote: Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:41 am
A little girl with a terminal illness asks:

“What’s going to happen to me when I die?”

As far as I am concerned, if any concept concerning our ultimate destiny cannot be simplified to the point of being able to create a genuine sense of hope when whispered into that little girl’s ear...

...then it is useless.
I agree. Although I understand what DAM says, I am uncomfortable with over-emphasizing the illusory aspect of the self.
Should we then reduce our paradigms to that which can be told to a terrified little dying girl? Harden up FFS. If the movie classification board adopted your standards then Bambi would be banned for extreme themes.

Our destiny is unknown. We don't know so there's no point pretending that we do unless telling comforting white lies to the especially vulnerable.


Re: illusory. No aspects of what we think of as the self are "illusory", just more or less temporal.

All this "illusion" crap is lazy. It would have been a cool metaphor some centuries ago. This is an illusion. That is an illusion. No they bloody aren't illusions. Illusions are illusions. The self is the self, one of those ambiguous concepts with multiple meanings like "God" (which was the point of this thread), "consciousness" and "love".

Real things are variably ephemeral, but it's simply crass and lazy to deem the various forms of ephemera to be "mere illusion" in the 21st century without differentiation.
And you said you never argue from certainty!

Re: Constructing a God Type Table

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:25 am
by Dontaskme
seeds wrote: Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:41 am
Reflex wrote: Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:09 am A Course in Consciousness might explain what DAM is talking about. Even so, the teachings are sealed except to the open mind.
A little girl with a terminal illness asks:

“What’s going to happen to me when I die?”

As far as I am concerned, if any concept concerning our ultimate destiny cannot be simplified to the point of being able to create a genuine sense of hope when whispered into that little girl’s ear...

...then it is useless.
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But V.A..is utterly 150% adamant that nothing exists.

Even though there is a palpable unavoidable driving force feeling that life desires the will to survive, and this is present in every sentient creature, and plant.
One keen example is the flight and fight reflex...this is like an inbuilt warning system alerting the creature not to surrender to death or kill itself.

If that feeling wasn't there, then why would life even be bothered to attempt to thrive at all?

Re: Constructing a God Type Table

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:00 am
by Dontaskme
Greta wrote: Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:51 am
Should we then reduce our paradigms to that which can be told to a terrified little dying girl?
Small young children are not terrified. It's the parent that is terrified of loss, and project that fear of loss onto the child.
Greta wrote: Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:51 amOur destiny is unknown.
Our destiny is here. Just to be here present at all is a beautiful gift. All unwanted gifts are returned to sender.



Greta wrote: Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:51 amRe: illusory. No aspects of what we think of as the self are "illusory", just more or less temporal.
To an open mind the temporal is known as the illusion within the infinite. The temporal, aka a unique never to be repeated finite experience of the infinite.

The infinite is not an illusion. You are the infinite experiencing a temporal life, that's the illusion.
Greta wrote: Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:51 amAll this "illusion" crap is lazy. It would have been a cool metaphor some centuries ago. This is an illusion. That is an illusion. No they bloody aren't illusions. Illusions are illusions. The self is the self, one of those ambiguous concepts with multiple meanings like "God" (which was the point of this thread), "consciousness" and "love".
It seems like You misunderstand the concept ''illusion'' as being that which is non-existing. When it doesn't mean that at all.

You state the point of this thread was to assert that ambiguous concepts have multiple meanings... like the concepts "consciousness" and "love" ''god''

But then you seem sure that the self is the self.

These are concepts known, but do you know that no concept has ever been seen?

Have you seen consciousness?
Have you seen god?
Have you seen love?
Have you seen self?

I look forward to discussing these ideas/questions with you.
You are still seeking greta ..you are a seeker and is why you are on this forum. So lets see if you can find what you are looking for?
Greta wrote: Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:51 am Real things are variably ephemeral,
If things are short lived then were they ever real? ..define real?

Greta wrote: Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:51 am but it's simply crass and lazy to deem the various forms of ephemera to be "mere illusion" in the 21st century without differentiation.
You do not have to believe every thing you hear from other people.

Who told you that transient things are ''mere illusion''?..define illusion?
If you are already sure and have no doubt in your mind about the differentiation yourself, then why do you even need to assume others don't? why would what others believe matter, if you are already sure yourself?

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