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Greta wrote:
The part of The Universe that Mr Warm Tea Who Is Full Of Love heartily detests

The mouth overflows what the heart is full of. I follow the law of love only. It can appear tough at times, but when the going gets.......

Acknowledge love for what it really is or get out of my way moron.

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Just get over the fact that you have an ugly heart and move on.

Greta wrote:
What I dislike most is the patronising - sprouting the obvious as though others have never contemplated or experienced anything in their lives. Experience has alerted me to those who act as though they are all sweetness and light, but are full of anger underneath.

Err, doh, I'm on a fucking God thread because I like talking about the subject of God. I already know people know this already in their hearts, I already know it's not exclusive knowledge to me only. Stop yourself from the patronising attitude why don't you. It's not like I'm spreading this message all over the fucking damn forum in every thread there is available, I limit myself to what I'm attracted to only.

You seriously need to stop projecting your anger at me for wanting to discuss what I enjoy talking about. I love knowledge, it has taught me everything I don't know. Just because I happen to know knowledge is illusory, does not make me a hater of science and intellect, I'm very greatful for educated people, but an educated person is not always emotionally intelligent or mature. I'm no ones fool here. If someone is going to challenge me on what I believe is real or unreal then I'm not going to agree with them if they are not talking the same language as me am I?

I'm certainly not going to just take another persons opinion as gospel truth if it's not my understanding. And No one is forced to listen or reply to me either, but if they do, I will not tolerate what's not real for me and have it forced down my throat by that someone who actually believes and claims to possess a knowledge as if it belonged to them personally. Knowledge belongs to no one. It's free knowledge there to be interpreted any which way one desires to do so. That's just the way this one sees it, so fuck off if you don't like the way I see it.


Wait for the echo....

Dontaskme wrote:Good and Bad ...what is that?

The image you posted identified "wrong" and "right". How do you see those?

Dontaskme wrote:choosing to live the lie over living the truth

What is "the lie" and what is "the truth"?

Dontaskme wrote:But by saying 'mastery of the self'..that's still slavery to a self.

Again... distinctions. Why is experience of/through the self NOT divine?

Why must the experience be somehow transcended? Why can't the experience be played with thickly or thinly... what difference does it make?

Dontaskme wrote:Self realisation is the discovery by no one that there is no self to discover, no self to realise.

So why not play? Where do you think you are going with self-realization?

Dontaskme wrote:What you truly are is this immediate direct boundless freedom aka beingness/oneness living itself and the you is just an appearance in and of that,the you is an appearance, a finite experience of infinity expressing itself.

I understand this... and here's what I seem to pick up from your communication: It seems like you're "high" on this, and want to tell people about it -- not because they "need to know", but because it brings something for you. Are they NOT already THAT, experiencing/manifesting as they/it will?

Dontaskme wrote:As for me, I'm choosing to live the truth, that's my prerogative.

And this seems to be what it brings for you. You are distinguishing between truth and lie, and identifying yourself with truth. Many people do this. Just as many people suggest that "others" are living a lie. What is that all about?

Dontaskme wrote:It's not your experience,or belonging to a self, there's just the 'experience'.No thing aka infinity experiences itself as and through a machine, aka the body mind mechanism. The self is a simulation appearing real but not actually real.That's all I'm trying to show people.

What difference does it make? Do you think there's something wrong with how it is?

If it's all experience that's not related to a self, but "selves" are a part of the experience/manifestation, why draw dividing lines of what is and is not?

This is what my OP was trying to address: the idea that anything is NOT of the infinite oneness. How can that be?

What are paths, other than experiences? What does realization bring, other than some levels of freedom and mastery? Must one path or realization be chosen over another, or is ALL experience "divine"?

Isn't it possible that no matter how we frame it, the concept of needing to see/do something a certain way is still part of the illusion? What are we trying to escape or ascend to?

What difference does it make how we play it out? The experience is what it is. Isn't it fantastic that way?

Dontaskme wrote:

Greta wrote:
What I dislike most is the patronising - sprouting the obvious as though others have never contemplated or experienced anything in their lives. Experience has alerted me to those who act as though they are all sweetness and light, but are full of anger underneath.

Err, doh, I'm on a fucking God thread because I like talking about the subject of God. I already know people know this already in their hearts, I already know it's not exclusive knowledge to me only. Stop yourself from the patronising attitude why don't you.

Wait for the echo....

I'll leave you two to it.!! LOL

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Dontaskme wrote:

Greta wrote:
What I dislike most is the patronising - sprouting the obvious as though others have never contemplated or experienced anything in their lives. Experience has alerted me to those who act as though they are all sweetness and light, but are full of anger underneath.

Err, doh, I'm on a fucking God thread because I like talking about the subject of God. I already know people know this already in their hearts, I already know it's not exclusive knowledge to me only. Stop yourself from the patronising attitude why don't you.

Wait for the echo....

I'll leave you two to it.!! LOL

No need to continue. DAM's extreme reactions say all that needs to be said. Funny how people who speak about love tend to be the ones most likely to try to rip your head off. Overcompensation, I guess.

Greta wrote: Funny how people who speak about love tend to be the ones most likely to try to rip your head off. Overcompensation, I guess.

Look, the reason I rip peoples heads off is because I fucking love ripping peoples heads off. We do things because we love doing it or we wouldn't do it.

The word Love is over fucking rated... don't cry just because I get you to the look in the real mirror, it's not for the faint hearted...so fucking man up man.

Lacewing wrote:
What difference does it make how we play it out? The experience is what it is. Isn't it fantastic that way?

Yes, it's fantastic which ever way it is played out, even the ugly parts...because it's all love expressing itself in disguise.

Lacewing wrote:I understand this... and here's what I seem to pick up from your communication: It seems like you're "high" on this, and want to tell people about it -- not because they "need to know", but because it brings something for you. Are they NOT already THAT, experiencing/manifesting as they/it will?

Yes, I get high on truth, some people get high on substance abuse, I get high on that which has no substance, so yes your observation is correct.

And yes, I'm only talking to myself because I fucking love myself. I love fucking my self over and over again, I'm a master at masturbating my fucking brains out. And at least I'm honest about it, not lying. That's what truth means to me.

Lacewing wrote: The image you posted identified "wrong" and "right". How do you see those?


What is "the lie" and what is "the truth"?

There is no wrong or right way to be, there's just being how ever beingness appears, and how it appears cannot be altered else it wouldn't be appearing as such. What would be the point in beating ourselves up over what's already happened by trying to alter it by either ill justifying it or condoning it, yet we beat our self and others up after the event is over, at what should not have happened like we are boxing with a shadow, it's madness.

But then the image depicts the tension between the two opposites - of which are needed to understand the middle way is always and ever neutral, the natural state of beingness...neither wrong or right. There can be no play without the tension just as any stringed instrument needs tension in order for it to play nicely. There cannot be peace without war, or order without chaos.,etc etc...

A lie is that contracted feeling of having done wrong,after the event is over, but in the moment it couldn't have be wrong since it was happening to no one. There's no one to stop what's just about to happen unless there's two of you which I very mush doubt. The lie is a warning that something isn't right. Anger and depression is a blessing in disguise, it warns us that there is something not quite right with the world, ourself. Opposites are not opposed to each other they are always working together toward equilibrium the resting state of natural beingness.

Deliberately physically harming another person is stupid, it's against the law of love aka nature. I mean you wouldn't do it to yourself would you. But harming another person is because there is a mis-identification going on in that there is the belief that other person is separate and different from you, and therefore poses as a threat to you. This is the lie. If another person does kill you, then that's what unavoidably happens, but it's only life killing itself...there is no protection from that, it's totally raw and naked in the moment. And that's what some people can't accept. They want it to be different than what it is. Mis-identification happens and no one can alter that, life is and does what ever it dictates in the moment.

Greta wrote:
Those who show disdain towards knowledge attempt to elevate their instincts over the hard won knowledge of others. It's a matter of respect and appreciating others' insights and talents rather than touting one's own "rightness" in all things. I worked with scientists for years and was impressed with their depth of understanding in subjects unrelated to their disciplines - that people never get to see in interviews or in their published work. They sure weren't the two dimensional straw persons that you routinely create to knock down.

Wow, well good for you, you worked with scientists. What an amazing person you must be then.

Well I actually gave birth to a scientist, he's now 35 with a Phd in geographical sciences, and has written articles that have been published in some science magazines.....what do you think of me now Mrs cold T?

As for myself, I didn't want much from life, I'm a simple mind, and had more important things on my mind like being consistently there for my children and raising them to be emotionally mature, allowing them all the freedom to be creatively clever in their own right without influencing them in any shape or form, what they've achieved in life has been all of their own doing. I loved them you see, and being there for them and only them, and raising them single handed well that's a filthy job but someones got to do it. No one has ever given me any respect, appreciation, merit or special recognition in what I did all by myself without a Father to support me. But why should I care, my fruit was born in that labour of love. My own doing.

I guess we all play the part that suits us the best. What we do on our life's journey is totally our own and no one else's business.



And maybe being a good mother is just about as good as any other job, you elitist snob.

Dontaskme wrote:life killing itself...there is no protection from that, it's totally raw and naked in the moment

I think so too. Life does stuff to "itself"... part of the creation... ebbing and flowing and turning on itself and crashing down and rebirthing. Ken (and a lot of people) might get upset by this concept... as they emotionally focus on the suffering of "little children"? But no matter what FORM life is in, I think it's the same stuff.

Dontaskme wrote:What would be the point in beating ourselves up over what's already happened by trying to alter it by either ill justifying it or condoning it

The same "point" for anything we do, I guess? Experience, exploration, entertainment, learning? Simply... it TOO is what is.

Dontaskme wrote:we beat our self and others up after the event is over, at what should not have happened like we are boxing with a shadow, it's madness.

Yeah, we're "going at it" alright. I think anything we do could be seen as a type of "madness" OR a type of "perfection" or beauty or natural unfolding and expanding. Just depends on what we feel like doing in the moment with whatever we're dealing with.

The MORE I accept of the WHOLE picture (which of course extends way beyond what I can imagine), then the more I feel I can enjoy and engage and be effective with "whatever". If I try to make up rules and laws that extend beyond my little physical world (whether for myself or for anyone else), then I feel locked in.

Dontaskme wrote:There can be no play without the tension just as any stringed instrument needs tension in order for it to play nicely.

Which, to me, seems to show that it's all an amazing creative dynamic working with itself. The idea of transcending it all, is like blowing off creation itself -- and claiming to be "above" THAT.

Lacewing wrote:

Dontaskme wrote:life killing itself...there is no protection from that, it's totally raw and naked in the moment

I think so too. Life does stuff to "itself"... part of the creation... ebbing and flowing and turning on itself and crashing down and rebirthing. Ken (and a lot of people) might get upset by this concept... as they emotionally focus on the suffering of "little children"? But no matter what FORM life is in, I think it's the same stuff.

I get what your saying, the problem lies with the identification with a self, that's the suffering, life is not a self, it doesn't have a self, it does not suffer, no more than the trees do not suffer the forest fire, or the tiny ants insects do not suffer under their daily dilemma of being trampled on.
The human belives there is a self behind the form when in fact there's nothing behind form whatsoever. Just as there is nothing behind a photographic image or a character in a nightly dream or in a movie. Everything is the image of consciousness, or one may call it an image of the imageless. Knowledge creates the story of I that is not actually there. The knowledge is referred to each time we want to know something about anything, but the knowledge is just a fictional story written and lived by no one, pretending to be real. Life is a living move i..movie...but it's not going anywhere but here. In motion,we cannot find our location. In stillness,we cannot find our shape.Between these two feelings, all bones are rising from and and falling into nothing.Man is conscious of the aliveness (action, word or thought) of the moment with certainty, only after it happens and never before it happens. Man can never premeditate the aliveness of the moment with certainty because each moment is passing away, dying into this eternal stillness that is going nowhere. And without the knowledge of memory there is nothing here. So we dip into that memory bank in order to give continuity to our existence albeit illusory.

No thing is living life. Life flows and the flow of life (light) manifests an illusory auditory and optical illusion of dreams to an illusory man and only in the illusory mind of a human being. Life has no intentions, because life which is light has no cause. Only that which has cause has intention, which is the ego. And the ego is an auditory illusion of sound. Life has manifested sound that appears as knowledge and beliefs, albeit illusory. This means the dreams and knowledge only appear to be present to an illusory man but are not actually present. Presence is actually empty and full at the same time and is likened to a dream.

Lacewing wrote:The same "point" for anything we do, I guess? Experience, exploration, entertainment, learning? Simply... it TOO is what is.

Yes, there is what's happening, but it must be remembered that the experiencer cannot be separated from the experience, which means no one is doing anything, so as long as we know that, then what happens will be accepted and enjoyed for what it is.. rather than be feared for what was expected to be.. but wasn't.

Lacewing wrote:Yeah, we're "going at it" alright. I think anything we do could be seen as a type of "madness" OR a type of "perfection" or beauty or natural unfolding and expanding. Just depends on what we feel like doing in the moment with whatever we're dealing with.

The MORE I accept of the WHOLE picture (which of course extends way beyond what I can imagine), then the more I feel I can enjoy and engage and be effective with "whatever". If I try to make up rules and laws that extend beyond my little physical world (whether for myself or for anyone else), then I feel locked in.

Dontaskme wrote:There can be no play without the tension just as any stringed instrument needs tension in order for it to play nicely.

Which, to me, seems to show that it's all an amazing creative dynamic working with itself. The idea of transcending it all, is like blowing off creation itself -- and claiming to be "above" THAT.

Yes, that which appears to transcend never transcended.

I really get what your saying and pretty much feel like we speak the same language on the God subject here.

While I normally hate fighting, it's funny with you because you get SOOOO wild and crazy - and from someone who claims that we need not worry about anything because it's all "just an illusion" and none of it actually exists or matters. Your response shows that not even YOU believe your own words. Rather, you seem to be trying to convince yourself. You might as well admit that the reality you have been so keen to dismiss is thoroughly real and actually try learning something instead of dismissing science and other people's hard-won knowledge.

If you truly believe all is One and that separation is an illusion, and that love is the way, then you would apologise to me for your foul-mouthed insults in response to some simple questioning of your ideas. You should find the apology easy to make because, after all, it's all just an illusion, right?

Seriously - how can you keep telling everyone that nothing exists and is just an illusion when you take it all more seriously than others do? Your actions speak more loudly than your words.

Do you all enlighten each other this way? Anyway she is right.

Dontaskme wrote:the problem lies with the identification with a self, that's the suffering

Why is it really a problem?

Dontaskme wrote:The human belives there is a self behind the form when in fact there's nothing behind form whatsoever. /...Knowledge creates the story of I that is not actually there... /...the knowledge is just a fictional story written and lived by no one, pretending to be real... /...Life is a living move ...but it's not going anywhere but here... /...we dip into that memory bank in order to give continuity to our existence albeit illusory.

So my question is, what's wrong with believing in whatever we want to believe in with all our hearts and minds? Why not play it out fully? What difference will it make one way or another... if all returns to the same cosmic dust?

Dontaskme wrote:it must be remembered that the experiencer cannot be separated from the experience, which means no one is doing anything

Why must we remember that? Why can't we believe this movie? It's as if you want to turn on the theater lights in the middle of the movie, and tell everyone "Sorry folks, show is over!" But maybe WE'RE HERE FOR THE FUCKING MOVIE! We bought a ticket, and we don't want someone telling us to leave the theater because it's pointless to experience it. So what? All sorts of things are "pointless"... everything could be pointless, and maybe that's the point.

Dontaskme wrote:as long as we know that, then what happens will be accepted and enjoyed for what it is.. rather than be feared for what was expected to be.. but wasn't.

Fear and disappointment and confusion may be part of the movie. I agree with you that ACCEPTANCE is a wonderful state to be in -- I'm just suggesting we ACCEPT THE FUCKING ILLUSION (or not) and accept how much we don't know (or not), and we can have fun with THAT (or not) or we can get really intoxicated with whatever particular trip we want to be on. I'm not sure it matters how we go about it or what our trip is.

It seems like an illusion to want to stop the illusion... as much as it's an illusion to carry on with it. Doesn't it?

osgart wrote:Do you all enlighten each other this way? Anyway she is right.

Sorry, it's a bad look and most don't want to read bickering. I am normally mellow and have done some soul-searching to understand why this particular individual irritates me so much. On reflection, DAM presses my hot buttons:

1) Announcing old mystical claims as though they were new insights as tough everyone else is stupid. Patronising.

2) Claiming that everything is illusory. It's dismissive of a reality which, to anyone paying attention, is mind-blowing.

3) Claiming that knowledge is pointless and useless. This is a denigration of the work and passions of scientists and other knowledge workers.

That's all.