Philosophy Now Forum

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Jaded Sage wrote:To be honest, I'm not entirely sure. Perhaps what I mean to focus on is the topic of my question about Absoluteness, Objectiveness & Noumena.

A bias is a point of view.

A person with no point of view, not only fails to have a bias, but fails to have and idea, a position, and any kind of existence.

Speaking from no point of view is not speaking at all.

Is bias synonymous with position?

Does having an idea require having a bias?

Jaded Sage wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Jaded Sage wrote:To be honest, I'm not entirely sure. Perhaps what I mean to focus on is the topic of my question about Absoluteness, Objectiveness & Noumena.

A bias is a point of view.

A person with no point of view, not only fails to have a bias, but fails to have and idea, a position, and any kind of existence.

Speaking from no point of view is not speaking at all.

Is bias synonymous with position?

Does having an idea require having a bias?

Interesting question to ponder.

Jaded Sage wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Jaded Sage wrote:To be honest, I'm not entirely sure. Perhaps what I mean to focus on is the topic of my question about Absoluteness, Objectiveness & Noumena.

A bias is a point of view.

A person with no point of view, not only fails to have a bias, but fails to have and idea, a position, and any kind of existence.

Speaking from no point of view is not speaking at all.

Is bias synonymous with position?

Does having an idea require having a bias?

Yes, I think it does.
We all have to stand somewhere, and we cannot all stand in the same place. So the simple act of thinking, and expressing a view involves having a bias.

alpha wrote: i can tell you point blank that this isn't something all people, or even most people can do. it's only possible (practically) for a tiny minority of people.

...And it's getting worse with each passing year.

Schools barely touch on metaphysics, observation, perspective, and critical thinking now days in their headlong rush to teach facts and how to be politically correct. People leave school uneducated and indoctrinated. Colleges are even worse.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Jaded Sage wrote: Is bias synonymous with position?

Does having an idea require having a bias?

Yes, I think it does.
We all have to stand somewhere, and we cannot all stand in the same place. So the simple act of thinking, and expressing a view involves having a bias.

I assume idea is synonymous with concept. Wasn't someone here talking about non-conceptuality? Do we have bias even without ideas? I assume that by bias you mean "prejudice in favor of or in favor against" but not "usually unfair favor" otherwise you would seem to be saying it is impossible to be fair, but it seems clearly it is. So then to have an idea is to either like or dislike it?

Why can't we all stand in the same place?

When someone neither confirms nor denies something, where is there official standing if not nowhere?

Before I have heard of the beatles, do I like them or dislike them, or something else?

Jaded Sage wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Jaded Sage wrote: Is bias synonymous with position?

Does having an idea require having a bias?

Yes, I think it does.
We all have to stand somewhere, and we cannot all stand in the same place. So the simple act of thinking, and expressing a view involves having a bias.

I assume idea is synonymous with concept. Wasn't someone here talking about non-conceptuality? Do we have bias even without ideas? I assume that by bias you mean "prejudice in favor of or in favor against" but not "usually unfair favor" otherwise you would seem to be saying it is impossible to be fair, but it seems clearly it is. So then to have an idea is to either like or dislike it?

Why can't we all stand in the same place?

When someone neither confirms nor denies something, where is there official standing if not nowhere?

Before I have heard of the beatles, do I like them or dislike them, or something else?

We can't all stand in the same place because it is crowded, and simultaneous co-location is not one of our skills. We can 'agree', and this means that we can share similar perspectives but the more closely you look, you more likely you will find differences.
Something we do not always recognise, but simply by the way we forma a question, or the choice of one question over another is already loaded with bias. There is simply no way to avoid this. In fact we need to recognise that and embrace it. Pretending to be objective is scandalous, and fallacious.
It's not the same as saying you can't be fair. One person's fair is another person unjust, and you can't please all the people all the time.

I think "official standing' is just a form of bogus objectivity - one that suits the established set of views, not the truth necessarily just the current ideology.

On the Beatles - you already have a set of likes and dislikes around music, and when you first listen to a new band, you use those to judge and assess.

Dude, you kill me every time you don't answer my fucking questions, lol =P.

And the newborn, does it like or dislike the beatles, or is there another option?

Immersion.

Jaded Sage wrote:Dude, you kill me every time you don't answer my fucking questions, lol =P.

And the newborn, does it like or dislike the beatles, or is there another option?

Newborn. Well duh. It has no view about the Beatles. That does not mean it lacks bias. Not knowing the Beatles is as much an opinion about the Beatles as knowing them.

No view, huh?

That's exactly what it means if you agree to the definition of bias provided.

No, it's not.

cladking wrote: Schools barely touch on metaphysics, observation, perspective, and critical thinking now days in their headlong rush to teach facts and how to be politically correct. People leave school uneducated and indoctrinated. Colleges are even worse.

I couldn't agree more. Our education systems are specifically designed to churn out factory fodder for the dark satanic mills. Teaching people how to think for themselves would not suit the interests of the robber barons, because nobody likes an uppity oik who knows he's being shafted. Such people are not easily kept in chains.

Jaded Sage wrote:No view, huh?

That's exactly what it means if you agree to the definition of bias provided.

No, it's not.

Ignorance is still a point of view.
As you ought to know.

Become a hermit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBRW4Y1AjAM

http://www.amazon.com/Pelican-Wildernes ... 158243591X

Obvious Leo wrote:

cladking wrote: Schools barely touch on metaphysics, observation, perspective, and critical thinking now days in their headlong rush to teach facts and how to be politically correct. People leave school uneducated and indoctrinated. Colleges are even worse.

I couldn't agree more. Our education systems are specifically designed to churn out factory fodder for the dark satanic mills. Teaching people how to think for themselves would not suit the interests of the robber barons, because nobody likes an uppity oik who knows he's being shafted. Such people are not easily kept in chains.

In this country college loans are used to make sure the masses are controlable no matter how bad their situation.

Eventually the whole system will collapse because it can't keep up with technology from less restrictive areas even if debt doesn't destroy it first.

Cladking. Controlling the flow of information has always been the most effective method of controlling the masses but coupling this tactic by enslaving people to personal debt is nothing short of genius. However I don't think it can work indefinitely because many people are waking up to the fact that the gadgets which the dark satanic mills are churning out are crap which is not worth having and poisoning the world into the bargain.

Pluto wrote:Become a hermit.

It's worked for me.