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Re: Evidence of God.
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 9:23 am
by Dubious
God has always been an inside-out manifestation. I believe the neurosciences can pretty well circumscribe the region He was born in.
Re: Evidence of God.
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 9:52 am
by attofishpi
sthitapragya wrote:attofishpi wrote:
The tough times where i was tested are over - now its happy days. The sage/God keeps suggesting that i do art for some reason, in fact a year ago they told me very directly - "don't program, do art."
So you have left your own ability to reason behind and do whatever the sage/God tells you without question?
That's a rather daft unsubstantiated conclusion.
Re: Evidence of God.
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 9:55 am
by attofishpi
Obvious Leo wrote:Many people talk to god, fishy, and in the main this can be seen as a harmless eccentricity. However when god talks back we've got a problem which requires some serious medical intervention. I don't mind sharing a joke with you about this but I hope you realise that this is not in fact a laughing matter but something you should be taking very seriously indeed.
Ok. Like the morning i climbed from bed and the words "tonight bad luck" were said to me. Then later that night i was beaten up with a baseball bat.
I don't care much for your attempts to discredit me in this manner, stick to the points in my OP, in particular the two suggestions i have made in relation to the nature of 'God', or don't bother at all.
Re: Evidence of God.
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 10:25 am
by Obvious Leo
attofishpi wrote:
I don't care much for your attempts to discredit me in this manner
Good point. You don't really need my help.
Re: Evidence of God.
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 10:42 am
by Hobbes' Choice
attofishpi wrote:Obvious Leo wrote:Many people talk to god, fishy, and in the main this can be seen as a harmless eccentricity. However when god talks back we've got a problem which requires some serious medical intervention. I don't mind sharing a joke with you about this but I hope you realise that this is not in fact a laughing matter but something you should be taking very seriously indeed.
Ok. Like the morning i climbed from bed and the words "tonight bad luck" were said to me. Then later that night i was beaten up with a baseball bat.
I don't care much for your attempts to discredit me in this manner, stick to the points in my OP, in particular the two suggestions i have made in relation to the nature of 'God', or don't bother at all.
That's the thing about getting a blow to the head. Your psyche tends to invent meanings and adds memories to account for the misfortune.
My brother who has schizophrenia has a whole collection of invented memories, that link events in his childhood that did not happen. He believes them as if they were as real the chair he's sitting on.
Re: Evidence of God.
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 12:37 pm
by attofishpi
...any other atheist willing to attempt to discredit me here, or is there one out there with the intelligence to actually address the points of my OP in a logical rational manner without letting their petty ego get in the way?
Re: Evidence of God.
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 4:20 pm
by sthitapragya
attofishpi wrote:sthitapragya wrote:attofishpi wrote:
The tough times where i was tested are over - now its happy days. The sage/God keeps suggesting that i do art for some reason, in fact a year ago they told me very directly - "don't program, do art."
So you have left your own ability to reason behind and do whatever the sage/God tells you without question?
That's a rather daft unsubstantiated conclusion.
How is it daft or unsubstantiated? You yourself said you don't know the reason why God told you to do art. You haven't tried to find out. You are simply carrying out the instructions given to you.
Re: Evidence of God.
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 5:32 pm
by bobevenson
Obvious Leo wrote:Many people talk to god, and in the main this can be seen as a harmless eccentricity. However, when god talks back we've got a problem which requires some serious medical intervention.
Regarding Ouzo, I was visited with a number of auditory and visual hallucinations in its development. One of them involved a short conversation with an authoritative voice. I've never had hallucinations outside of Ouzo. What is your take on this?
Re: Evidence of God.
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 7:05 pm
by bobevenson
bobevenson wrote:Obvious Leo wrote:Many people talk to god, and in the main this can be seen as a harmless eccentricity. However, when god talks back we've got a problem which requires some serious medical intervention.
Regarding Ouzo, I was visited by a number of auditory and visual hallucinations in its development. One of them involved a short conversation with an authoritative voice. I've never had hallucinations outside of Ouzo. What is your take on this?
Re: Evidence of God.
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 7:40 pm
by Hobbes' Choice
attofishpi wrote:...any other atheist willing to attempt to discredit me here, or is there one out there with the intelligence to actually address the points of my OP in a logical rational manner without letting their petty ego get in the way?
We have addressed "points in you OP", such as they are, it a more rational and logical manner than you seem capable of acknowledging. It's got nothing to do with ego, petty or otherwise.
It seems clear that you do not process information is normal ways. I really do not mean this is an insulting way, though I know you will probably take offence. I can only offer my continues sympathy about your accident, and hope you can get the help you need to overcome your difficulties. I realise how this might sound, but I am sincere. Part of the problem with head injuries is to first acknowledge that you might have a problem.
I know you will not trust me, so don't, but ask the people around you: friends and family, what they think of your ideas.
Re: Evidence of God.
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 9:00 pm
by Obvious Leo
bobevenson wrote:Obvious Leo wrote:Many people talk to god, and in the main this can be seen as a harmless eccentricity. However, when god talks back we've got a problem which requires some serious medical intervention.
Regarding Ouzo, I was visited with a number of auditory and visual hallucinations in its development. One of them involved a short conversation with an authoritative voice. I've never had hallucinations outside of Ouzo. What is your take on this?
I've not had a lot of personal experience of the powers of ouzo to induce psychosis, Bob, but I've certainly read about it. Absinthe has certainly been shown to have such properties as also has tequila amongst the better known alcoholic stimulants. However the use of psycho-active substances more generally to induce bizarre mind-states has a very ancient provenance across all human cultures and for all of human history. People just love getting off their faces, Bob, and that's simply all there is to it. In fact this tendency is by means restricted to the upright ape because many other species will deliberately seek out specific plant alkaloids as well as naturally fermented alcohols which induce similar effects. If you've never seen a swarm of pissed bees then it's something I would greatly recommend to your personal entertainment. They remind me of myself walking home from the pub.
Re: Evidence of God.
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 10:09 pm
by bobevenson
Obvious Leo wrote:I've not had a lot of personal experience of the powers of ouzo to induce psychosis, Bob, but I've certainly read about it. Absinthe has certainly been shown to have such properties as also has tequila amongst the better known alcoholic stimulants.
Absinthe relates indirectly to the book of Revelation: "And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter." -Revelation 8:11. Ouzo is a substitute for absinthe without the wormwood. The interesting thing is that I've only tasted ouzo once in my life, a single shot glass of it in the middle of a dart game at a Cincinnati area bar, which immediately led to my first hallucination.
Re: Evidence of God.
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 10:49 pm
by Obvious Leo
Bob. Wormwood is the common name for a broader family of plants known as the Artemisia genus. There are a number of different species in this genus and their range is widespread in many parts of the world. The artemisins have been used in the herbal folklore of many indigenous cultures dating back to pre-agricultural homo and there is even some evidence of its use by the Neanderthals. It has had many different medical uses over many different cultures and it is still grown commercially in many parts of the world as a natural source of anti-malarial drugs. I grow it in my own garden to keep the mosquitoes at bay in the summertime. Sadly it doesn't appear to deter prophets.
Re: Evidence of God.
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 10:58 pm
by bobevenson
I was referring, of course, to the symbolic juxtaposition of wormwood in the book of Revelation to "The Ouzo Prophecy."
Re: Evidence of God.
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 11:31 pm
by Obvious Leo
Sorry, mate, I wasn't really trying to let a few facts fuck up your story. As you were.