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Unconsciousness - as per standard definitions - has been the default state of nature for billions of years. However, it appears that that situation is changing.

Greta wrote:Unconsciousness - as per standard definitions - has been the default state of nature for billions of years. However, it appears that that situation is changing.

changing for the worse, lol.

i want everyone to consider this: having absolutely no needs (as is the case for something that's nonexistent) is superior to something (existent) that has many completely satisfied needs.

Greta wrote:Unconsciousness - as per standard definitions - has been the default state of nature for billions of years. However, it appears that that situation is changing.

Really??? Let's hear your "standard definitions" please.

Jeez, if living is such a burden (and you know who I'm talkin' to) why 'be'?

Any number of ways are available to you to opt out, so why 'stay'?

'Oh, this life is awful and pointless and ineffective and inefficent, just misery and woe over and over!'

As my Grand Dad used to say: 'shit, or get offa the pot'.

henry quirk wrote:Jeez, if living is such a burden (and you know who I'm talkin' to) why 'be'?
yes, henry, i know who you're talking to.

Any number of ways are available to you to opt out, so why 'stay'?
there are 20 million reported suicide attempts annually, only 1 million of which are reportedly successful. self-deliverance isn't as easy as you may think. i've done endless research (and have personal experience), and i know what i'm talking about. i don't yet have the means to do it properly.

'Oh, this life is awful and pointless and ineffective and inefficent, just misery and woe over and over!'

As my Grand Dad used to say: 'shit, or get offa the pot'.
believe me henry, even though i didn't choose to be on the pot in the first place, i definitely intend to get off of it as soon as i possibly can.

speaking of your grand dad, at least now we know from where you get your superior reasoning and intellect.

If a body really wants out, a straight razor, warm bath, and time is all one needs.

If 19 million out 20 million fail surely it has to with a lack of conviction, not the difficulty of ending one's self.

Shit (do it) or get offa the pot (stop babbling about it).

I think you lack conviction, Al...I expect you'll be 'here' grousing about 'here' for years to come.

henry quirk wrote:If a body really wants out, a straight razor, warm bath, and time is all one needs.

If 19 million out 20 million fail surely it has to with a lack of conviction, not the difficulty of ending one's self.

Shit (do it) or get offa the pot (stop babbling about it).

I think you lack conviction, Al...I expect you'll be 'here' grousing about 'here' for years to come.

i don't what business you have being on a philosophy forum. you clearly lack any intelligence, let alone the capacity for deep thought, or comprehension.

Greta wrote:Cheers. I'm fairly new here and I don't understand the culture. There's a lot of hostility.

It’s often like a den of rattlesnakes. I was horrified upon arrival... but now I find it good training/transformational ground and a good/humorous release for my own venom... for a little while at least.

Enjoying your posts, Greta.

Greta wrote:Unconsciousness - as per standard definitions - has been the default state of nature for billions of years. However, it appears that that situation is changing.

Alpha wrote: changing for the worse, lol.

It seems that the most natural evolvement/progression would ultimately be towards improvement, refinement, expansion, etc. The “unconsciousness” that we see in humanity at present seems like an “exploratory-but-sure-to-fail state” (and it’s infectious). There certainly appears to be significant advancement toward greater/increased consciousness occurring as well. There is so much that we ALL don’t see on many, many levels. It’s always easier to recognize that when looking at those who appear “less conscious” than ourselves... because perhaps we know that language (from travelling through it). But there are many more conscious than we, and (as we can deduce), the language and realities change significantly as one goes. The biggest mistake always seem to be in thinking that one has “arrived” at their optimal position of knowing. (God, how many times do we do that in our lives?) Defending that position can lock out all else that we might otherwise become aware of.

Alpha wrote: i want everyone to consider this: having absolutely no needs (as is the case for something that's nonexistent) is superior to something (existent) that has many completely satisfied needs.

Okay, I’m considering it... and I can see that it is your view from where you stand with your human ideas of what “superior” means when you speak of “need” and “satisfaction”. None of these things necessarily exist or have any meaning beyond the human realm. The human realm is what it is... to explore or not. I don’t think you can transpose its template (limitations, meanings, ideas) onto anything beyond it. Being here may actually be a sacred opportunity/gift, despite the apparent negatives. If one knew that one's experience wasn't ultimately serious or permanent, it might be very agreeable indeed to experience these fleshy bodies and mortal minds, complete with all the adventure they might bring.

Al,

Yes, my knuckles drag and my brain is small and dull...all quite off the point, which is: if you want 'out', why aren't you 'gone' already?

Please understand: I don't want you 'gone'...me, I prefer you 'here'...I just find it peculiar that you go on and on about 'not being' as superior to 'being'...seems to me, you'd just get on with it.

Again: I believe you lack conviction, or, mebbe, you just think all this 'nihil' is cool (and it is 'cool', if 'cool' is the same as 'stupid').

But, hey, what do I know?

Obviously, the finer esoterica of the 'I wanna die...just not today' set is way beyond what my course brain can handle.

Wouldn't it suck if you wanted to die and committed suicide ....and then found out there is no such thing as death. That there was only consciousness forever and ever...

henry quirk wrote:Obviously, the finer esoterica of the 'I wanna die...just not today' set is way beyond what my course brain can handle.

i can assure you henry, most things are beyond what your so called brain can handle.

artisticsolution wrote:Wouldn't it suck if you wanted to die and committed suicide ....and then found out there is no such thing as death. That there was only consciousness forever and ever...

yes, art, that would certainly suck. it would suck, big time.

Since I Am God wrote:Its not me its the pms from the guy who says if I dont post then he will slot me .

first of all, guys don't get pms, lol. secondly, grow a pair.

Since I Am God wrote:

alpha wrote:i want everyone to consider this: having absolutely no needs (as is the case for something that's nonexistent) is superior to something (existent) that has many completely satisfied needs.

pm:
You already had this conversation and you agreed that this was not the absolute truth.
What I think about you is you are probably a lazy bastard who lies in bed all day and wants to do
fuck all .
The bees work the birds work and humans must work to feed themselves or attempt to do so.
If you dont like the life then find a bridge and jump in the water because you are a burden to
society .

i'm a burden to society? i'm sure you're a delight, and a huge gift to society.