Is creating false guilt for profit by religions a good moral tenet?

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ReliStuPhD wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:What moral truth have we discovered instead of inventing?
The ones I've listed, at least, though some probably need to be reworded.
You did not list any that I recognized and that is why I asked for an item or two.

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Greatest I am wrote:You did not list any that I recognized and that is why I asked for an item or two.
Just because you don't recognize them, it doesn't mean they're not objective. But if you want to get back to a specific example, let's go with "Unjustified killing is wrong."
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ReliStuPhD wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:You did not list any that I recognized and that is why I asked for an item or two.
Just because you don't recognize them, it doesn't mean they're not objective. But if you want to get back to a specific example, let's go with "Unjustified killing is wrong."
Now you are opening a real can of worms, what is justified? Is it the same for everyone?
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thedoc wrote:
ReliStuPhD wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:You did not list any that I recognized and that is why I asked for an item or two.
Just because you don't recognize them, it doesn't mean they're not objective. But if you want to get back to a specific example, let's go with "Unjustified killing is wrong."
Now you are opening a real can of worms, what is justified? Is it the same for everyone?
That wouldn't undermine the tenet, just show how it's hard to determine what's justified. So long as the person in question attempts to justify her act of killing, the moral holds.
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ReliStuPhD wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:You did not list any that I recognized and that is why I asked for an item or two.
Just because you don't recognize them, it doesn't mean they're not objective. But if you want to get back to a specific example, let's go with "Unjustified killing is wrong."
Is determining unjustifiability not a subjective judgement.

Seems to me that an objective morality would not need a subjective judgement.

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Greatest I am wrote:
ReliStuPhD wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:You did not list any that I recognized and that is why I asked for an item or two.
Just because you don't recognize them, it doesn't mean they're not objective. But if you want to get back to a specific example, let's go with "Unjustified killing is wrong."
Is determining unjustifiability not a subjective judgement.

Seems to me that an objective morality would not need a subjective judgement.
Well, I wouldn't say that it's subjective, since I think there are other objective moral tenets that help us make the judgment. But no, even if determining what was "justified" was subjective, it would not mean the tenet was subjective, insofar as we would still categorize unjustified killing as wrong, even if we had a hell of a hard time determining if it was justified.

By the way, "justified" basically just means there's a good reason for it. I might even be willing to go a bit farther and say the reason doesn't have to stand up to the scrutiny of others, so long as it's not "I killed him for no reason at all."
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True. That is all subjective though so we have come full circle.

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Greatest I am wrote:True. That is all subjective though so we have come full circle.
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