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Posted: **Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:35 pm**

Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:30 pm “The greatest responsibility of all: the transmission of the mystery.”
—Basarab Nicolescu

What mystery, what is its name and how long must it be transmitted before it too fades quietly into the void, resolved or not!

Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:30 pmYour apparent goal is the destruction of the mystery by diminishing it into secular superficiality.

I don't have any goals apparent or otherwise. I just read, analyze and generally think about things without subscribing to any specific doctrines. I try to maintain an open mind which can be quite critical even against atheists.

Your goal, which is turning out to be a hideous failure, is to inculcate your version of wisdom into the secular morlocks of the underground and wash them clean of their folly. The fact that they, looking up at your resplendent wisdom-etched countenance, have also noticed not a few major errors in your line of work is to be understood as nothing more than a measure of their ignorance. It's a formula well understood even millenniums ago!

A mind like yours makes wisdom easy. All any two bit preacher has to do is read the manual.

Posted: **Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:51 pm**

uwot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:27 pm
Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:30 pm“The greatest responsibility of all: the transmission of the mystery.”
—Basarab Nicolescu
The only mystery is how pretentious twerps like that can get their heads so far up their own arses. Well, that and how anyone can take them seriously.

To me it just shows how even very learned people often underestimate the scale of what is happening in nature (including humans and their works). Humanity is always being judged by what it is now, which is the same mistake made since antiquity - thinking of life, the Earth, evolution and humanity as finished products.

Each of those down through history making bold pronouncements about humanity's merits, performance or quality made the same mistake - forming strong opinions based on assumptions about a future they had no hope of being able to predict.

If there is a greater pattern to the developments on Earth over the past four billions years then it may be our current chaotic situation is simply a normal phase of development.

Posted: **Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:02 pm**

Dubious wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:35 pm
Your apparent goal is the destruction of the mystery by diminishing it into secular superficiality.
I don't have any goals apparent or otherwise. I just read, analyze and generally think about things without subscribing to any specific doctrines. I try to maintain an open mind which can be quite critical even against atheists.

I think this point bears repeating.

Those with agendas tend to assume the same in others. Seemingly N cannot imagine just being curious about life and the world. For him there always has to be a political aim, in his case to encourage chaos and speed up the Apocalypse, and overthrow secular society and usher a return to God's dominion of the Earth, as prophesied in the Bible.

He's just one more malcontent wanting to smash everything up. Reality disappointed them by not being what they'd hoped it to be, so now they want it gone. A dime a dozen attitude, also commonly observed in kindergartens.

Posted: **Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:16 pm**

Greta wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:02 pm
Dubious wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:35 pm
Your apparent goal is the destruction of the mystery by diminishing it into secular superficiality.
I don't have any goals apparent or otherwise. I just read, analyze and generally think about things without subscribing to any specific doctrines. I try to maintain an open mind which can be quite critical even against atheists.
I think this point bears repeating.

Those with agendas tend to assume the same in others. Seemingly N cannot imagine just being curious about life and the world. For him there always has to be a political aim, in his case to encourage chaos and speed up the Apocalypse, and overthrow secular society and usher a return to God's dominion of the Earth, as prophesied in the Bible.

He's just one more malcontent wanting to smash everything up. Reality disappointed them by not being what they'd hoped it to be, so now they want it gone. A dime a dozen attitude, also commonly observed in kindergartens.

Dubious' attitude as well as yours and secularism in general towards the higher ideas expressed in Christianity and philosophy serving as an awakening influence for our species has the effect of diminishing their value. Blind emotional denial has this effect. It seeks to destroy that which for whatever reason it has become closed to. It celebrates spirit killing and the psychological suffering it produces.

Posted: **Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:22 pm**

Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:16 pm
Greta wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:02 pm
Dubious wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:35 pm I don't have any goals apparent or otherwise. I just read, analyze and generally think about things without subscribing to any specific doctrines. I try to maintain an open mind which can be quite critical even against atheists.
I think this point bears repeating.

Those with agendas tend to assume the same in others. Seemingly N cannot imagine just being curious about life and the world. For him there always has to be a political aim, in his case to encourage chaos and speed up the Apocalypse, and overthrow secular society and usher a return to God's dominion of the Earth, as prophesied in the Bible.

He's just one more malcontent wanting to smash everything up. Reality disappointed them by not being what they'd hoped it to be, so now they want it gone. A dime a dozen attitude, also commonly observed in kindergartens.
Dubious' attitude as well as yours and secularism in general towards the higher ideas expressed in Christianity and philosophy serving as an awakening influence for our species has the effect of diminishing their value. Blind emotional denial has this effect. It seeks to destroy that which for whatever reason it has become closed to. It celebrates spirit killing and the psychological suffering it produces.

Have you put in your request for sainthood to Pope Francis yet?

Posted: **Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:25 pm**

uwot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:27 pm
Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:30 pm“The greatest responsibility of all: the transmission of the mystery.”
—Basarab Nicolescu
The only mystery is how pretentious twerps like that can get their heads so far up their own arses. Well, that and how anyone can take them seriously.

A wonderful example of celebrated arrogant stupidity

Basarab Nicolescu is a Theoretical physicist and philosopher; a Researcher at the Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique (CNRS), University of Paris 6, France; a Professor at the Babes-Bolyai University, Cluj-Napoca, Romania; a Member of the Romanian Academy; the President-Founder of the International Center for Transdisciplinary Research and Studies (CIRET), a non-profit organization (161 members from 26 countries); Founder and Director of the "Transdisciplinarity" Series, Rocher Editions, Monaco and of the "Science and Religion" Series, Curtea Veche Publishing House, Bucharest.

A specialist in the theory of elementary particles, Basarab Nicolescu is the author of more than one hundred articles in leading international scientific journals, has made numerous contributions to science anthologies and participated in several dozens French radio and multimedia documentaries on science. Basarab Nicolescu is a major advocate of the transdisciplinary reconciliation between Science and the Humanities, Science and Religion and Science and Spirituality. He has published many articles on transdisciplinarity in journals in USA, France, Romania, Italy, United Kingdom, Brazil, Argentina, Mexico and Japan. His books include: Manifesto of Transdisciplinarity, State University of New York (SUNY) Press, New York, 2002; Nous, la particule et le monde, Rocher, Monaco, 2002 (2nd edition); Science, Meaning and Evolution – The Cosmology of Jacob Boehme, Parabola Books, New York, 1991. He edited the book Transdisciplinarity – Theory and Practice, Hampton Press, USA, 2008.

Now post your bio if you've got the guts.

Posted: **Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:51 pm**

What’s The Most Important Question, and Why?

There is something about the essential questions that touch the heart of Man and beyond the limitations of the dualistic mind which provokes the most violent and nasty rejections. It's ironic that reliance on the duaistic mind to satisfy the quest for meaning which is the source of this phenomenon will spawn psychologists limited to the dualistic mind. What a strange species we are.

Posted: **Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:51 pm**

Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:25 pm
uwot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:27 pmThe only mystery is how pretentious twerps like that can get their heads so far up their own arses. Well, that and how anyone can take them seriously.
A wonderful example of celebrated arrogant stupidity

Ta very much.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:25 pmNow post your bio if you've got the guts.

Two blokes were walking in the jungle when suddenly they were charged by a tiger. As one started running away the other called out:
'Don't be an idiot, you'll never outrun a tiger.'
'I don't have to,' came the reply, 'I only have to outrun you.'

Posted: **Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:55 pm**

Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:16 pm
Greta wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:02 pm
Dubious wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:35 pm I don't have any goals apparent or otherwise. I just read, analyze and generally think about things without subscribing to any specific doctrines. I try to maintain an open mind which can be quite critical even against atheists.
I think this point bears repeating.

Those with agendas tend to assume the same in others. Seemingly N cannot imagine just being curious about life and the world. For him there always has to be a political aim, in his case to encourage chaos and speed up the Apocalypse, and overthrow secular society and usher a return to God's dominion of the Earth, as prophesied in the Bible.

He's just one more malcontent wanting to smash everything up. Reality disappointed them by not being what they'd hoped it to be, so now they want it gone. A dime a dozen attitude, also commonly observed in kindergartens.
Dubious' attitude as well as yours and secularism in general towards the higher ideas expressed in Christianity and philosophy serving as an awakening influence for our species has the effect of diminishing their value. Blind emotional denial has this effect. It seeks to destroy that which for whatever reason it has become closed to. It celebrates spirit killing and the psychological suffering it produces.

Actually, I'm a fan of the higher ideas of most religions but I don't care for their numerous lower ideas.

Posted: **Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:10 am**

Nick, do you actually know what a dualistic mind is? Your repetition of the term and inability to think of alternative expressions suggests a rather robotic lack of understanding of the concept, which you are spraying around without much care for accuracy.

https://cac.org/the-dualistic-mind-2017-01-29/ wrote:Dualistic thinking, or the “egoic operating system,” as my friend and colleague Cynthia Bourgeault calls it, is our way of reading reality from the position of our private and small self. “What’s in it for me?” “How will I look if I do this?” This is the ego’s preferred way of seeing reality.

As clear as a bell, that's you on the forum - always self-promoting and desperately keen to be seen to "win". Not much point criticising dualistic thinking if you routinely engage in it yourself.

Also, I am not convinced that people consistently retain modes of thinking throughout life. Certainly age tends to make one more "philosophical". To that end, I am not convinced that there is a single "most important question". Rather the importance of questions tend to depend on the stage and state of one's life and circumstances respectively.

Your nominated most important question - "Who am I and what is my place?" - is one that largely concerns the young and old. Once the young leave the nest, very often the most important question is, "How do I survive?".

That challenge to one's survival brings what "anti-dualist" theists derisively refer to as egoistic thinking - “What’s in it for me?” or “How will I look if I do this?”. These are the questions of young people trying to establish themselves and set up their lives in ever more populated, and consequently competitive, societies.

It is only with the space provided by childhood, indolence, retirement or relevant work that people have the opportunity to ponder the biggest questions at depth.

Posted: **Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:22 am**

Philosophy Now --- Whose fault is it? Man or woman? We’ve been preoccupied with blaming each other since time immemorial, and so it is our most important question.

Posted: **Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:51 am**

Duncan Butlin wrote: ↑Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:22 am Philosophy Now --- Whose fault is it? Man or woman? We’ve been preoccupied with blaming each other since time immemorial, and so it is our most important question.

Where have you been? the question has been resolved. Experts have gotten together and unanimously agreed it is all the fault of Donald Trump. If you want to create utopia, get rid of Trump.

Posted: **Thu Sep 06, 2018 1:01 am**

Duncan Butlin wrote: ↑Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:22 am Philosophy Now --- Whose fault is it? Man or woman? We’ve been preoccupied with blaming each other since time immemorial, and so it is our most important question.

The question is immediately resolved depending on what side is asked.

Posted: **Thu Sep 06, 2018 1:19 am**

Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:25 pm
A wonderful example of celebrated arrogant stupidity

If stupidity were worthy of celebration there would have been enough candles burning in your honor to burn down the forum.

Posted: **Thu Sep 06, 2018 1:29 am**

Dubious wrote: ↑Thu Sep 06, 2018 1:19 am
Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:25 pm
A wonderful example of celebrated arrogant stupidity
If stupidity were worthy of celebration there would have been enough candles burning in your honor to burn down the forum.

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