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As a father of two adult children I'll agree with this. You're never sure of what you've got but the same could be said of their mother. Even after 37 years I'm still left scratching my head from time to time.Dubious wrote: you're not sure of what you got.
They're likely "scratching their heads from time to time" wondering about the other side of that equation.Obvious Leo wrote:As a father of two adult children I'll agree with this. You're never sure of what you've got but the same could be said of their mother. Even after 37 years I'm still left scratching my head from time to time.Dubious wrote: you're not sure of what you got.
Undoubtedly. Who would want it any other way?Dubious wrote:
They're likely "scratching their heads from time to time" wondering about the other side of that equation.
As you will be aware, there is nothing much preventing anyone, regardless of sperm counts from having more children than the world can cope with in practical terms. The fall in birth rates has nothing to do with an inability to have children, but about people thinking more carefully about how and when to have sex and whether or not that should give rise to children or not.Arising_uk wrote:With expensive help sure.Hobbes' Choice wrote:It's about personal choice, NOT sperm counts. If a person with a low sperm count wants a child he can have one.
What point? As he's not here but you are so why not ask you.Dalek Prime wrote:This is your critique. Do continue.
Sounds reasonable to me, arising.Arising_uk wrote:What point? As he's not here but you are so why not ask you.Dalek Prime wrote:This is your critique. Do continue.
Benatar writes a interesting philosophical argument, although I think his asymmetry a but dubious and find his idea of making 'death' a harm a bit of a nifty move and that I disagree that there might not be single pleasures that outweigh a great many minor harms, by and large I find his solution the problem as it's pretty much like cutting off your nose to spite your face or amputating a limb because sooner or later you will damage it and be in pain. For me the way to end most of what we call 'suffering' are largely political economic issues or technological, things to be solved by living existent beings not by removing them.
It's not bad advice to follow, and not just for me.Dalek Prime wrote:... I thought it best if I yammered less and read something on it [philosophy].
Ask, "What is a human being?"Bill Wiltrack wrote:.
What is the meaning of life?
Still struggling with the emptiness; this vastness of this thing I will title, for now, as my soul.
Looking for the meaning of this life of ours.
I know meaning, REAL meaning can be based upon words but overall meaning, REAL philosophy, goes far beyond words.
I looked for meaning, REAL meaning, in experience. Over the last few months even that inner search that I have committed my life to, even that has fallen short.
I'm still empty. Lost.
Are we dead?
Dalek Prime wrote:I'm going to go out of my way here, and answer the actual thread. The meaning of life. Which oddly enough, I entered this forum based on. And I think, now, I will appropriately exit on. Because, heck, this is such a small backwater to piss away my existence on the people here. ...
What you're going to piss it away in a larger forum?
Did you PM him to ask if he's okay? Otherwise this is just a sop.Except for Bill. He's disappeared, hopefully not doing himself any mischief. And no one save me and PhilX seemed to care. What a scum lot many of you are. I hope you're okay, Bill.
Good shout outs to Ned, if he ever returns. Skip, you're a decent bloke. Melchior, for my first welcome. Blaggard, you old salt. Hex, keep on their tails. Bob, keep the prophesies and win the election lol! Trixie, keep saying whatever it is you're trying to say. Ummm, any antinatalists who posted a couple of times... Nicola (my twin)... Dubious... Scott... Leo... RS... IC.... Don't feel left out if I missed you name, and you've been decent.
Big-up to ma posse.
Not an answer to the question/Okay then. The answer to the meaning of life?
It'll be found anywhere but this website. Get a life people. And try treating each each other better than you do now, should you decide to stay and not get one.
"So long, farewell, auf weidersehen, goodbye."
Julieee! Andrewwws!
Oh yeah. I want to leave with my AN (antinatalist) flag waving! And here it is!
they've got a flag now?
As a parent, I already know this.Stop punching out the kids, people! You're not doing them any favours! Parents? Your kids owe you a big fat nothing! ...
What about the good stuff I heap on them, do they owe me for that?You, on the other hand, owe them everything, for all the shit that you, and only you, heaped on them, by your selfish DNAbot desire to birth them! ...
For whom or what?The unliving universe will have this species for lunch in the end, and peace shall reign.
I was questioning your thought that if I owe them for the supposed 'shit' I've heaped upon them then surely they owe me for the 'good' I've heaped upon them?Dalek Prime wrote:... Why then do you go and ask if they owe you for all the 'good' you 'heaped' on them, when you previously answered the question in the negative, already?
Yes I'm still here. You all keep belching at me after the fact, which is quite typical of bad meals.Arising_uk wrote:You still here? What happened to the fond farewell from this scummy backwaterI was questioning your thought that if I owe them for the supposed 'shit' I've heaped upon them then surely they owe me for the 'good' I've heaped upon them?Dalek Prime wrote:... Why then do you go and ask if they owe you for all the 'good' you 'heaped' on them, when you previously answered the question in the negative, already?
PolarLee wrote:There is no meaning of life.
First I would like to say I am not religious. However I am not looking to insult any religions.
We live on a planet that, as we have learned, was here years before we arrived. This shows that the Earth is capable of surfing without us.
No it just shows that it has survived without us, not that it's necessarily capable in the future.
As humans we quickly realised this and found that this meant we were free to do what we wanted. This progressed to where we are now, we do not help or contribute to the planets existance.
Yet we depend upon the planet. Do you not believe that if a massive asteroid capable of annihilating the planet was in fact heading toward it that humans would not try and stop it from doing so?
What I'm trying to say is that our society has brought on this question and its answer in my oppinion is shocking.
As if there could only be one potential answer.
There is no meaning of life.
No, it's just that you cannot know if there is or isn't.
If we have created the society whereby to live our lives we need money and love to do so to gain respect from others. Therefore we have created our own purpose on this earth and there fore we can create our own meaning of life.
Of course humans, in their current state of relative infancy, can only ponder the possibility of a meaning to life, and as always in such a case, there are a plethora of proposals. So what?
This is where I get deep.
If one is to toot their own horn, as in this case, it would have been better to instead have said, "...relatively deep."
If the earth has been around for long before you and will be here long after you. What is your role here?
Time of existence does not dictate a role.
If you are here for 80 years over the billions of years the earth is here what can you possibly achieve?
Whatever one can during that span.
This leads to an additional question, is there an afterlife. I think yes.
OK, you 'believe' yes.
This is because like I have said, we are here on this earth for a spec of time so what happens to us after that?
Do you 'actually' remember before you were here? If not, I would state that being dead is much the same. If so, I would say you might need some professional help.
Death is meant to be nothing according to atheists. But you can never get nothing.
Of course not, nothing is the lack of anything.
If I told you to think of nothin you would probably close your eyes and think of darkness, black, but the colour black is a colour and you recognise it's a colour therefore your brain is working.
One can think of nothing as the lack of anything. To think of it and to visualize it are two different things.
You can't be dead. So what happens? You will find yourself pondering for days what ifs like to be dead because it's impossible.
Impossible to 'visualize it?' Of course! Impossible to 'be it?' Never!
I guess I have gone off on a massive tangent. Sorry about that.
No problem, I can follow anyones argument, supplying my take, it matters not that I necessarily see your connections, though right off the top of my head I'd say, "the fear of death is at issue." After all, it's very common indeed! It's actually responsible for all cultures, and thus the reason we war over them.
Hobbes' Choice wrote:As you will be aware, there is nothing much preventing anyone, regardless of sperm counts from having more children than the world can cope with in practical terms.Arising_uk wrote:With expensive help sure.Hobbes' Choice wrote:It's about personal choice, NOT sperm counts. If a person with a low sperm count wants a child he can have one.
The fall in birth rates has nothing to do with an inability to have children,
It has to do with many things, actually all that have been expressed so far in this thread, and many more I'm sure.
but about people thinking more carefully about how and when to have sex and whether or not that should give rise to children or not.
That's the point I was making.