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I really liked the

"as we cannot believe
that we are all
part of this"...

part. It is true that we all doubt that. If only we could be sure, then no "suffering" could be even possible no matter what!

PS. I might ask for permission to re-post that poem in a blog of mine (with the author mentioned of course)...

skakos wrote:
PS. I might ask for permission to re-post that poem in a blog of mine (with the author mentioned of course)...

permission granted, skakos. thank you for asking and your interest in the poem. i appreciate it.

But we are parts of this
for this is us.
we stand on a darkling plane

Hjarloprillar wrote:But we are parts of this
for this is us.
we stand on a darkling plane

"We" is the collective "I", the ego life we all have in common. But the true 'I' within is the only singular truth that is veiled by this ego life in order to survive the material plane, i.e. our everyday life. The 'face before we were born' is the one true 'I' which is no different from any other life. Hence, as the wise have told us throughout history, we are all one, that which shares the inner light within, the 'life giver' if you will.

Your life giver is my designer.
but my designer is not of inner light, souls
My "god' designer is a technician
who made this verse as you make a toaster oven.

nikos

Imagine being uttermost happy throughout your life.
Happy and nothing else than happy.
Never knowing unhapiness or misery of any kind.

Is that "normal"?

Would you feel good?

skakos wrote:Imagine being uttermost happy throughout your life.
Happy and nothing else than happy.
Never knowing unhapiness or misery of any kind.

Is that "normal"?

Would you feel good?

It's impossible!

With dichotomy's, one illuminates the other. Without one, the other cannot exist. They are defined forever, as a pair.

Reverse this.

Imagine someone being unhappy all their lives. There must be millions.

This world is an unhappy place.

Topsy Turvy.

No one knows what is expected of them anymore.

Forced to stay in jobs they hate.

Committed to huge financial paybacks.

Limited leisure time with the people that are important to them.

Fear of expressing and being who they are.

So much sacrifice, little gain.

Imagine being uttermost happy throughout your life.
Happy and nothing else than happy.
Never knowing unhapiness or misery of any kind.

Is that "normal"?

Would you feel good?

Sheer indulgence.

reasonvemotion wrote:Reverse this.

Imagine someone being unhappy all their lives. There must be millions.

This world is an unhappy place.

Topsy Turvy.

No one knows what is expected of them anymore.

Forced to stay in jobs they hate.

Committed to huge financial paybacks.

Limited leisure time with the people that are important to them.

Fear of expressing and being who they are.

So much sacrifice, little gain.

Really? Could we be missing the big picture?
Could life be just pain and misery?

Well, we could start with Greece.

skakos wrote: Could life be just pain and misery?

Indeed! The Buddha's 'Four Noble Truths' state:

1. Life means suffering (or 'dukka').

2. The origin of suffering is attachment.

3. The cessation of suffering is attainable.

4. The path to the cessation of suffering.

I cannot agree to that. Life can be beautiful as well. Accepting the One is incompatible with accepting "Misery is everything" in life...

skakos wrote:I cannot agree to that. Life can be beautiful as well. Accepting the One is incompatible with accepting "Misery is everything" in life...

Sk

Without misery how would we know pleasure.. endorphins?
Without black there is no white.

In everyday life i see about me a sea of souls without thought beyond the next meal or bill to pay.
Has 10,000 years come to nothing?

And humanity.. what goal has it? nothing.
But to roll on. a great black machine of experience in the Now.
We call ourselves civilized when in fact we are all now sheep without adventure or spirit.

Without frontiers. And within this festering social system. Life is a joke

skakos wrote:I cannot agree to that. Life can be beautiful as well. Accepting the One... "

Sure you can agree with the Buddha. Suffering is all around us in various forms and actions. We cannot escape that reality. But we can see beauty in life also. However, even beauty is temporal and will take it's toll. Beauty will eventually perish as all life is destined to do.

mtmynd1 wrote:

skakos wrote:I cannot agree to that. Life can be beautiful as well. Accepting the One... "

Sure you can agree with the Buddha. Suffering is all around us in various forms and actions. We cannot escape that reality. But we can see beauty in life also. However, even beauty is temporal and will take it's toll. Beauty will eventually perish as all life is destined to do.

In the short term yes..
But all life is not destined to perish.
Evolution exists why/?

Because it exists to make verses..and thus continue.

in human scale 4000 Ad humans will make verses.. we will become 'gods'
how terrible that will be.. the responsibility.


thank the maker i was born in between the age of total ignorance and the age of technology