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Atla wrote: ↑Mon Sep 22, 2025 5:14 pm

peacegirl wrote: ↑Mon Sep 22, 2025 5:01 pm IT IS NOT FAITH BASED AND IT IS NOT RELIGIOUS. IT IS GOD-GIVEN. IOW, WE ARE BORN WITH IT. CONSCIENCE JUST HASN'T REACHED THE TEMPERATURE NECESSARY TO END ALL EVIL. BUT IT'S COMING. THE EMPIRICAL PROOF WILL BE SHOWN WHEN THESE PRINCIPLES ARE PUT INTO EFFECT GLOBALLY.

Empirical evidence won't come. These principles won't be put into effect globally because we can already tell that they won't work. Putting them into effect would be a waste of time and resources. That's why no one cared about your father's work.

peacegirl wrote:What do you mean no one cared? I can count on my one hand how many people even know about this work let alone have read it.

Atla wrote:Creating an utopia where everyone is motivated not to commit crimes, is a no-brainer.

But that rubbish about your false determinism, and your wishful thinking about no blame and conscience, people will just laugh at that.

AS HE EXPRESSED BEFORE HE DIED, "MY DAY WILL COME."

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Sep 22, 2025 5:49 pm

peacegirl wrote: ↑Mon Sep 22, 2025 5:01 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Mon Sep 22, 2025 3:36 pm Let's have an AI restate the obvious, because why not:





THE DRIVE TO HURT OTHERS WILL BE TRUMPED BY THE DRIVE NEVER TO HURT OTHERS WHEN PEOPLE ARE GIVEN NO CHOICE AS TO WHICH DIRECTION THEY MUST GO.



WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT GENETIC MAKE UPS BUT WE ARE ALL BORN WITH A RUDIMENTARY CONSCIENCE. AND YES, THIS IS AS GOD-GIVEN AS BEING BORN WITH OTHER HUMAN NON-NEGOTIABLE TRAITS.



NOT TRUE. NATURAL PSYCHOLOGICAL VARIATION ASSUMES THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WILL DERIVE SATISFACTION GETTING WHAT THEY WANT NO MATTER WHAT THE CONDITIONS. BUT WHEN THEY KNOW THEY CAN HURT OTHERS TO THEIR HEART'S CONTENT, AND THEY ALSO KNOW THAT NO ONE WILL LIFT A FINGER IN RETALIATION --- ALONG WITH OTHER CHANGES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN SHOWN --- THEY WILL BE UNABLE TO FIND EVEN THE SLIGHTEST AMOUNT OF SATISFACTION IN DOING SO.

HUMAN CONSCIENCE IS NOT FAITH BASED AND IT IS NOT RELIGIOUS. IT IS GOD-GIVEN BUT IT ISN'T LIMITED TO RELIGION ONLY. IOW, WE ARE BORN WITH A CONSCIENCE. DUE TO OUR PRESENT ENVIRONMENT, IT JUST HASN'T REACHED THE TEMPERATURE NECESSARY TO END ALL HURT IN HUMAN RELATIONS. BUT IT'S COMING. THE EMPIRICAL PROOF WILL BE SHOWN TO BE ACCURATE WHEN THESE PRINCIPLES ARE PUT INTO EFFECT WORLDWIDE. HE GAVE US THE BLUEPRINT BUT IT'S UP TO US TO APPLY IT. YOU CAN LEAD A HORSE TO WATER, BUT YOU CAN'T MAKE HIM DRINK.

When the Utopia , the Golden Age arrives will humans have the strength of conscience not to hurt animals?

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Sep 22, 2025 3:56 pm

peacegirl wrote: ↑Mon Sep 22, 2025 1:13 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Sep 22, 2025 1:07 pm
If the "he" you refer to is Jesus of Nazareth, yours is an odd idea. Jesus did not aim to stop his enemies --"Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's". In other words Jesus was subject to Caesar but his soul was his own and God's.

That still does not address the point Lessans was making. I am not here to discuss Christianity which you seem to be stuck on. I am sorry about that because I am not arguing your point of view regarding Jesuses' forgiveness or why he forgave. You are taking this excerpt out of context by making it more than it is and are expanding it into territories that this author never intended.

WHO are you talking about when you say "he"? Please use proper names instead of personal pronouns.

peacegirl wrote: ↑Mon Sep 22, 2025 12:43 pmThis thread has gone off the beaten track. If anyone wants to continue, it needs to be brought back to the original purpose.

peacegirl wrote: ↑Mon Sep 22, 2025 1:49 pm I agree that eternity can only exist in the here and now. Forgiving the murderer is the hallmark of Christianity: to love your enemies, but imagine a world in which forgiveness is no longer necessary when there is nothing left to forgive. Just imagine!!!

peacegirl wrote: ↑Mon Sep 22, 2025 6:26 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Sep 22, 2025 5:49 pm

peacegirl wrote: ↑Mon Sep 22, 2025 5:01 pm

HUMAN CONSCIENCE IS NOT FAITH BASED AND IT IS NOT RELIGIOUS. IT IS GOD-GIVEN BUT IT ISN'T LIMITED TO RELIGION ONLY. IOW, WE ARE BORN WITH A CONSCIENCE. DUE TO OUR PRESENT ENVIRONMENT, IT JUST HASN'T REACHED THE TEMPERATURE NECESSARY TO END ALL HURT IN HUMAN RELATIONS. BUT IT'S COMING. THE EMPIRICAL PROOF WILL BE SHOWN TO BE ACCURATE WHEN THESE PRINCIPLES ARE PUT INTO EFFECT WORLDWIDE. HE GAVE US THE BLUEPRINT BUT IT'S UP TO US TO APPLY IT. YOU CAN LEAD A HORSE TO WATER, BUT YOU CAN'T MAKE HIM DRINK.

When the Utopia , the Golden Age arrives will humans have the strength of conscience not to hurt animals?

Yes, they will. If they are not plant based, then they will make sure the animal is euthanized in the most humane way. And when people are guaranteed their standard of living without having to resort to killing in inhumane ways, animals will receive the benefit. Many countries do not take care of their animals because they can barely take care of themselves. This issue is very important to any animal lover. So many positive changes will take place that it's hard to comprehend. This is why he said science will take over where he left off.

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Sep 23, 2025 12:29 pm

peacegirl wrote: ↑Mon Sep 22, 2025 12:43 pmThis thread has gone off the beaten track. If anyone wants to continue, it needs to be brought back to the original purpose.

Make it easy for me.

What is the original purpose, in 50 words or less.

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Sep 23, 2025 12:32 pm

peacegirl wrote: ↑Mon Sep 22, 2025 1:49 pm I agree that eternity can only exist in the here and now. Forgiving the murderer is the hallmark of Christianity: to love your enemies, but imagine a world in which forgiveness is no longer necessary when there is nothing left to forgive. Just imagine!!!

I imagine that here tune would either not exist, or exist only as a parody ... but what a voice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGLR25E ... rt_radio=1

Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Sep 23, 2025 12:33 pm

peacegirl wrote: ↑Mon Sep 22, 2025 6:26 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Sep 22, 2025 5:49 pm
When the Utopia , the Golden Age arrives will humans have the strength of conscience not to hurt animals?

Yes, they will. If they are not plant based, then they will make sure the animal is euthanized in the most humane way. And when people are guaranteed their standard of living without having to resort to killing in inhumane ways, animals will receive the benefit. Many countries do not take care of their animals because they can barely take care of themselves. This issue is very important to any animal lover. So many positive changes will take place that it's hard to comprehend. This is why he said science will take over where he left off.

So far so good. Do you realise your Utopia is vegan?

Science is good for explicit language . Explicitly, what you are talking ("science will take over---)"

peacegirl wrote:Science will build on the blueprint that Lessans put forth.

...about is empathy. There are two sorts of empathy, cognitive empathy, and emotional empathy. While cognitive empathy is already done by AI, emotional empathy is a big big problem.

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Sep 23, 2025 2:54 pm (continued)

My takeaway from recent postings is that your father wrote the unified field theory of harmonious relations. Does this theory involve methods of effectively generating Climate Love?

peacegirl wrote:Yes. Think about it. People will not want to do things that they know is destruction to the environment, especially when we find newer ways to keep the environment clean and sustainable.

peacegirl wrote:I believe that to love one's enemies is to love the person in spite of what they did, not the behavior. That is a tall order especially when someone has taken away the most precious thing in your life.

peacegirl wrote:I think his wife said that he had a half smile on his face. People will probably theorize what that smile meant for years to come.

peacegirl wrote:Not an agape love, although this optimal environment would generate this kind of love as a natural expression. He has a whole chapter on romantic love and how the hurt that often accompanies this kind of love can be prevented.

peacegirl wrote:Our Day Will Come should be My Day Will Come (alluding to my father).

peacegirl wrote: ↑Tue Sep 23, 2025 8:35 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Sep 23, 2025 12:29 pm

peacegirl wrote: ↑Mon Sep 22, 2025 12:43 pmThis thread has gone off the beaten track. If anyone wants to continue, it needs to be brought back to the original purpose.

Make it easy for me.

What is the original purpose, in 50 words or less.

No. I'm not starting all over again just for you.

peacegirl wrote: ↑Tue Sep 23, 2025 9:55 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Sep 23, 2025 2:54 pm (continued)

My takeaway from recent postings is that your father wrote the unified field theory of harmonious relations. Does this theory involve methods of effectively generating Climate Love?

peacegirl wrote:Yes. Think about it. People will not want to do things that they know is destruction to the environment, especially when we find newer ways to keep the environment clean and sustainable.

They say Kirk loved his enemies.

peacegirl wrote:I believe that to love one's enemies is to love the person in spite of what they did, not the behavior. That is a tall order especially when someone has taken away the most precious thing in your life.

They say that there was a little smile on his face after he died, but that could just be fuel for legend.

peacegirl wrote:I think his wife said that he had a half smile on his face. People will probably theorize what that smile meant for years to come.

Like suffering, everyone knows love and the suffering love generates, so love is the crux of universal appeal for your father’s work.

peacegirl wrote:Not an agape love, although this optimal environment would generate this kind of love as a natural expression. He has a whole chapter on romantic love and how the hurt that often accompanies this kind of love can be prevented.

Like suffering, everyone finds love in relationship with a person, place, thing or thought. Maybe even all four.

However, unlike suffering, folks long for love, folks want the gravy and not the gristle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw9RVjE ... rt_radio=1


I heard that Richard Feynman’s daughter also carried on his ambition … Tuva or Bust!

peacegirl wrote:Our Day Will Come should be My Day Will Come (alluding to my father).

peacegirl wrote: ↑Tue Sep 23, 2025 8:35 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Sep 23, 2025 12:29 pm

peacegirl wrote: ↑Mon Sep 22, 2025 12:43 pmThis thread has gone off the beaten track. If anyone wants to continue, it needs to be brought back to the original purpose.

Make it easy for me.

What is the original purpose, in 50 words or less.

No. I'm not starting all over again just for you.