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First u had:- You are irrelevant

Now u added:- schizo freak.

..touch a nerve did i?

..according to the universe we don't have relevance.

..according to an intelligence that is the backbone to our perceivable reality/real_IT_Y - we R relevant.

If determinism's true you are all just chatbots.

Responding to your prompts like stochastic parrots.

accelafine wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 12:47 am

henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:42 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2024 9:03 pmJust trying to be helpful.

Why?

You understand what he promotes is a horrorshow. Why help him do it?

He's not 'promoting' anything. Facts don't cease to be facts just because you don't like them, Ernest.

Thank you, accelafine and henry, for engaging in this conversation. I’m not promoting anything other than our scientific understanding of how the universe operates—a framework built on conservation laws and the four fundamental forces of nature: gravity, electromagnetism, and the strong and weak nuclear forces.

These forces govern every interaction in the universe, ensuring that properties like energy and momentum are exchanged and conserved. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction, as Newton described. This principle of conservation is absolute. Our minds, unless they possess mass, charge, or some other property that allows interaction via these forces, cannot alter the physical processes of the universe. Hence, the concept of free will as an uncaused, independent force simply doesn’t align with what we know about the laws of physics. Determinism—a universe in which everything has a cause—is a logical consequence of these fundamental truths.

Our very bodies are made of physical "stardust," forged in the hearts of stars and dispersed through the universe by supernovae. These stellar explosions, while awe-inspiring, flung out no "ghost dust" to form immaterial minds or souls. Everything about us, from our thoughts to our actions, emerges from the physical interactions of particles governed by deterministic laws.

Facts remain facts, regardless of how we feel about them. Embracing this understanding is not a "horrorshow," as some might fear—it’s a pathway to clarity, compassion, and a deeper appreciation of our interconnected reality.

BigMike wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 9:24 am Thank you, accelafine and henry, for engaging in this conversation. I’m not promoting anything other than our scientific understanding of how the universe operates—a framework built on conservation laws and the four fundamental forces of nature: gravity, electromagnetism, and the strong and weak nuclear forces.

Gravity is not a force under Einstein.

It's an fictitious force. In the ontology of General Relativity gravity literally doesn't exist!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictitiou ... ious_force

I guess, there exists a choice... if you want gravity to be a force you have to choose to reject Einstein.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 8:50 am First u had:- You are irrelevant

Now u added:- schizo freak.

..touch a nerve did i?

..according to the universe we don't have relevance.

..according to an intelligence that is the backbone to our perceivable reality/real_IT_Y - we R relevant.

Is that supposed to mean something? Try harder dearie.

accelafine wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 8:44 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 8:03 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 4:31 am 'Free will' us just something that humans have made up. It's pretty obvious. You can feel it every time you make a decision if you focus on it--that your 'decisions' are already made before you 'make' them. Plus, 'free will' would make life extremely difficult. What if we had to make a conscious 'decision' every time we did something? We'd never move from the same spot

Can you name anything with words that were not words made to fit something by humans, thus "something made up"?

accelafine wrote:You can feel it every time you make a decision if you focus on it--that your 'decisions' are already made before you 'make' them.

LMFAO

..so the force of nature is Y you are a cranky ol' bat

You are irrelevant, schizo freak.

Accelafine, your insights align well with the scientific understanding I’ve been discussing, particularly the idea that "free will" is an illusion crafted by our brains. Neuroscience has shown that decisions are often made subconsciously before we’re even aware of them. This aligns with determinism: our actions are caused by prior events in a chain of cause and effect governed by physical laws.

As for attofishpi's comment, it raises an interesting point about language. Yes, all words are human constructs, but the concepts they describe often point to underlying realities. For instance, "free will" is a term we invented to describe a feeling, but feelings don’t change the physical laws governing the universe. "Free will" isn’t just fictional—it’s a harmful and dangerous belief that obscures the true causes of human behavior. It perpetuates blame, punishment, and inequality while denying the deterministic forces that shape our lives.

Let’s continue exploring these topics thoughtfully and respectfully, focusing on the ideas rather than personal remarks.

BigMike wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 9:38 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 8:44 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 8:03 am


Can you name anything with words that were not words made to fit something by humans, thus "something made up"?




LMFAO

..so the force of nature is Y you are a cranky ol' bat

You are irrelevant, schizo freak.

Accelafine, your insights align well with the scientific understanding I’ve been discussing, particularly the idea that "free will" is an illusion crafted by our brains. Neuroscience has shown that decisions are often made subconsciously before we’re even aware of them. This aligns with determinism: our actions are caused by prior events in a chain of cause and effect governed by physical laws.

As for attofishpi's comment, it raises an interesting point about language. Yes, all words are human constructs, but the concepts they describe often point to underlying realities. For instance, "free will" is a term we invented to describe a feeling, but feelings don’t change the physical laws governing the universe. "Free will" isn’t just fictional—it’s a harmful and dangerous belief that obscures the true causes of human behavior. It perpetuates blame, punishment, and inequality while denying the deterministic forces that shape our lives.

Let’s continue exploring these topics thoughtfully and respectfully, focusing on the ideas rather than personal remarks.

Tell the schizo freak that.

BigMike wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 9:38 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 8:44 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 8:03 am


Can you name anything with words that were not words made to fit something by humans, thus "something made up"?




LMFAO

..so the force of nature is Y you are a cranky ol' bat

You are irrelevant, schizo freak.

1 - Accelafine, your insights align well with the scientific understanding I’ve been discussing, particularly the idea that "free will" is an illusion crafted by our brains. Neuroscience has shown that decisions are often made subconsciously before we’re even aware of them. This aligns with determinism: our actions are caused by prior events in a chain of cause and effect governed by physical laws.

As for attofishpi's comment, it raises an interesting point about language. Yes, all words are human constructs, but the concepts they describe often point to underlying realities. For instance, 2 - "free will" is a term we invented to describe a feeling, but feelings don’t change the physical laws governing the universe. "Free will" isn’t just fictional—it’s a harmful and dangerous belief that obscures the true causes of human behavior. It perpetuates blame, punishment, and inequality while denying the deterministic forces that shape our lives.

Let’s continue exploring these topics thoughtfully and respectfully, focusing on the ideas rather than personal remarks.

1. Accelafine - Your in sights are in line with mine thus..i can blow more smoke up your stupid arse.


2. No Mike, free will is a term described not for a 'feeling' its a term that insists on intelligent minds having analysed inputs of REALITY to actually make conscious decisions.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 9:55 am

BigMike wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 9:38 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 8:44 am

You are irrelevant, schizo freak.

1 - Accelafine, your insights align well with the scientific understanding I’ve been discussing, particularly the idea that "free will" is an illusion crafted by our brains. Neuroscience has shown that decisions are often made subconsciously before we’re even aware of them. This aligns with determinism: our actions are caused by prior events in a chain of cause and effect governed by physical laws.

As for attofishpi's comment, it raises an interesting point about language. Yes, all words are human constructs, but the concepts they describe often point to underlying realities. For instance, 2 - "free will" is a term we invented to describe a feeling, but feelings don’t change the physical laws governing the universe. "Free will" isn’t just fictional—it’s a harmful and dangerous belief that obscures the true causes of human behavior. It perpetuates blame, punishment, and inequality while denying the deterministic forces that shape our lives.

Let’s continue exploring these topics thoughtfully and respectfully, focusing on the ideas rather than personal remarks.

1. Accelafine - Your in sights are in line with mine thus..i can blow more smoke up your stupid arse.


2. No Mike, free will is a term described not for a 'feeling' its a term that insists on an intelligent minds having analysed inputs of REALITY to actually make conscious decisions.

He hasn't said anything I didn't already know, schizo freak. I'm one of those weird people who can think for themselves.

accelafine wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 9:52 am

BigMike wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 9:38 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 8:44 am You are irrelevant, schizo freak.

Let’s continue exploring these topics thoughtfully and respectfully, focusing on the ideas rather than personal remarks.

Tell the schizo freak that.

Attofishpi is on my ignore list, so I simply don’t engage with or pay attention to him.

wot a shit show of PATHETIC "philosophy" LMFAO

BigMike wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 10:05 am Attofishpi is on my ignore list, so I simply don’t engage with or pay attention to him.

You should write a book on "How to build a robust echo chamber"

Honestly.

Anyone seeking any WISDOM - does not cut information feed.

DUH!

What moron seeking knowledge and believing in wisdom puts people on "ignore"

--- answer - lots & lots of idiots on this very forum.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 10:23 am Honestly.

Anyone seeking any WISDOM - does not cut information feed.

DUH!

What moron seeking knowledge and believing in wisdom puts people on "ignore"

--- answer - lots & lots of idiots on this very forum.

Perhaps when they just can't stand to see any more more your moronic drivel?

accelafine wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 10:36 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 10:23 am Honestly.

Anyone seeking any WISDOM - does not cut information feed.

DUH!

What moron seeking knowledge and believing in wisdom puts people on "ignore"

--- answer - lots & lots of idiots on this very forum.

Perhaps when they just can't stand to see any more more your moronic drivel?

The IRONY

U know I don't talk 'moronic drivel'

..just gave u a little stir, and look how far u went...pooooof