attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 5:13 pm
seeds wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 4:49 pm
attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 2:12 pm
The Jews were in the land now called Israel at least a thousand years before MorHamMad formed Islam and took his Arabs to start slaughtering and displacing them. (and whatever relatively small band of Christians were around at the time)
A quick Google search revealed the following...
In early times, Palestine was inhabited by Semitic peoples, the earliest being the Canaanites....
...They [the Canaanites] are best known as the people who lived “in a land flowing with milk and honey” [Canaan] until they were vanquished by the ancient Israelites and disappeared from history.
In which case, if it's simply a matter of
"who was there first," then if the Israeli Jews knew they were being attacked by a reconstituted group of Canaanites, then perhaps they would be more understanding of the proper thing to do, and thus relinquish their claim on the disputed territories (yeah, right
).
The Canaanites that pretty much formed the earliest Abrahamic religion and many of whom became known as Jews? (what do you think anti-
semitic came from)
Again, according to the great oracle Google...
This land, known as Canaan in ancient times, is roughly located in the same place as modern-day Israel. Abraham's migration took place sometime between 2000 B.C.E. and 1700 B.C.E.
And the point is that prior to Abraham's migration to that area, the people who lived on those lands were...
Wiki wrote:
...polytheistic, with families typically focusing on veneration of the dead in the form of household gods and goddesses, the Elohim, while acknowledging the existence of other deities such as Baal and El, Mot, Qos, Asherah and Astarte.
And the ultimate point is that those
polytheists were there first, which therefore quashes the often-used argument of the Jews being there first.
attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 5:13 pm
..of course the below is now irrelevant as any comparison.
seeds wrote:And to frame this in a perspective that might be a little more personal for you, atto, how about those Aboriginals?
They were in the land called Australia, thousands of years before any Europeans arrived there in 1606 and colonized it in 1788.
Are you telling us that if modern Aboriginals, with the aid of powerful military forces from other countries, were to decide to reclaim their ancient land and violently expel you from your home and source of income, killing your friends and family members in the process,...
...that you'd simply belly up like a frightened dog and accept this unjust and immoral assault on your being?
What makes you think I'd be frightened?
That's the point, atto,
you wouldn't be frightened. No, you'd be filled with anger, along with a justifiable intent on seeking revenge against those who displaced you and killed your loved ones.
This isn't rocket science, it's human nature.
Listen to George Galloway explain the situation to a hapless caller to his show...
https://youtu.be/O3JInrihYqg
attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 5:13 pm
The Aboriginals arn't as stupid as you seem to think, they know that whatever 'powerful military forces' from other countries are likely to be cunts. Aboriginals on the whole are quite happy with the Australian way of life. Holy shit seeds, there would be a lot of empty CBD buildings for a long time, they'd soon get invaded by China or Indonesia - don't think that would work out too well.
First of all, I have nothing but great respect for the wisdom of the Aboriginal peoples of Australia.
And secondly, none of what you wrote in the above quote has anything whatsoever to do with the point I was making,...
...nor does it dissuade me from believing that if the Israeli Jews had done to you and your family what they did to the Palestinian Arabs back in 1948 and the years since then, that you, as a child, would have been right there, shoulder to shoulder with your mates, heaving rocks (or even missiles) at Israeli soldiers.
seeds wrote:If not, then stop wondering why the Palestinians might be a little miffed at what the Jews (and the West) have done to them.
attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 5:13 pm
LMAO. I'm not wondering why the so called "Palestinians" might be "a little miffed" - THEY HATE THE JEWS AS THEIR WARLORD INSTRUCTED THEM TO SINCE THE INCEPTION OF EVIL ISLAMIC DOCTRINE IN THE 7th CENTURY - ergo - THEY HAVE BEEN MURDERING JEWS SINCE THEN.
There is more instruction to kill Jews in the Koran than in Hitler's Mein Kampf.
Is anyone around here going to come up with a reasonable argument that will support the evil people that support evil HAMAS?
The more pertinent question is, is there anyone around here with enough brains to realize that the followers of Islam are unwitting
victims of a super-intense brain washing system?
And if you are trying to show them that Christianity is a better choice, then I highly doubt that your
vulgar vitriol, coupled with the fact that the Christian nations such as the U.S.A., with political reps such as Madeleine Albright...
...stating that the deaths of
500,000 Iraqi children
"was worth the price" of achieving some of our imperialistic shenanigans,...
...again, I highly doubt that that's going to win a lot of converts.
Now none of this is meant to justify any of the horrors that both sides are guilty of committing.
No, it's just meant to show how insane and unresolvable the situation is, which, in turn, is demonstrating how the Biblical prediction of some sort of end-time Armageddon, is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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...I disagree. 