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Dubious wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:17 pm ….feel free to kindly fuck off.
A wee bit grumpy 😠 again? Is it your brand of coffee?

What I did say stands Señor Grumpasaurus: were you born and raised in Palestine (Gaza) your view of life, death, sacrifice and value would be determined by that orientation.

You are viewing it from a perspective that only reiterates your own position.
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Meanwhile everyone knows that neither Israel nor Islamic countries even remotely meet the bare minimum of human decency.
Israel has the support of the US. So, one has to question the human decency of Americans as well.
Nor will they, as long their religions exist.
A number of orthodox Jewish sects support the Palestinians.

Furthermore, Christian support for the war is contrary to practically everything that Jesus taught.

One has to conclude that there is more to it than what can be explained by religious beliefs.
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phyllo wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:41 pm
Meanwhile everyone knows that neither Israel nor Islamic countries even remotely meet the bare minimum of human decency.
Israel has the support of the US. So, one has to question the human decency of Americans as well.
Nor will they, as long their religions exist.
A number of orthodox Jewish sects support the Palestinians.

Furthermore, Christian support for the war is contrary to practically everything that Jesus taught.

One has to conclude that there is more to it than what can be explained by religious beliefs.
Money, power, trying to maintain Western dominance over the planet, trying to stop Islamic countries from getting weapons of mass destruction.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 2:33 pm From what I can make out, Israel has been busy building an amazing country for the past 70 years, while Gazans have been busy building tunnels and buying weapons and making its leaders unimaginably rich--all while getting more and more jealous and bitter over the country that's known as Israel, and especially bitter and jealous of the arabs who had the good sense to remain and help build the said amazing country of Israel.
Imagine what the Gazans could have done with all those billions in aid instead of spending it on weapons and corrupt leaders.
The entire 'Palestinian' argument is a load of bullshit from beginning to end.
Poor Israelis, they didn't spend one cent on buying weapons or building Iron Doom...
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 3:58 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 3:25 pm Here's the problem with such treatments: they treat all "religions" as one thing.
You start from a bad premise.
It's their premise. If it's "bad," then it's their fault, not mine.
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:19 pm
What I did say stands Señor Grumpasaurus: were you born and raised in Palestine (Gaza) your view of life, death, sacrifice and value would be determined by that orientation.
Indeed it would be but for how long before one attempts to think independently of an orientation which has been thoroughly programmed from an early age and considered anathema to abrogate, revise or reconsider.
You are viewing it from a perspective that only reiterates your own position.
It all depends on how one's position is derived. In your case it's the one that's borrowed from whatever you're reading at the moment if at all similar to your views. You come across as stubbornly unoriginal, fixed in a position almost as much as IC is stuck in his, thoroughly deaf to the opinion of others especially if they don't conform to yours. Again, something you have in commmon. It's then you're most prone to flippancy as your way of denigrating a response. It's not as if I'm the only one who noticed your pitiable attempts at expressing a superior attitude. Such only seems natural if one's mind actually is superior. So far all I can say is good luck with that.
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Dubious wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 6:31 pm Indeed it would be ….
Good, you agree. I also thought my assertion was reasonable.

Now the question is about Palestinians supporting the military attack tactics of Hamas, or not. And my impression is that there is a culture of support of that violent militancy. As well as pride. And I’ve also got the impression that the so-called Arab street responds favorably to violent, militant actions.

It remains to be seen how Gazans react to the intensity of Israel’s counter attack.

Some additional food for thought, Señor Grumpy:

Am I just grumpy, or is it something else?

Perhaps you could avoid — or delay? — posting here when that characteristic bitchiness has a grip on you? Do you feel any better, I mean really? when you lose your cool and erupt?
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It remains to be seen how Gazans react to the intensity of Israel’s counter attack.
Support for Hamas has gone from 38% three months ago to 42% in Gaza.

It has gone from 12% to 44% in the West Bank.

Polls conducted Nov 22-Dec 2
https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas ... 3844bc4514
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phyllo wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 8:09 pm
It remains to be seen how Gazans react to the intensity of Israel’s counter attack.
Support for Hamas has gone from 38% three months ago to 42% in Gaza.

It has gone from 12% to 44% in the West Bank.

Polls conducted Nov 22-Dec 2
https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas ... 3844bc4514
That's hugely bad news for Palestinians. It only means they're falling farther and farther under the spell of the homicidal maniacs who are responsible for their exploitation, brutalization and now destruction. What a sad turn.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 8:51 pm
phyllo wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 8:09 pm
It remains to be seen how Gazans react to the intensity of Israel’s counter attack.
Support for Hamas has gone from 38% three months ago to 42% in Gaza.

It has gone from 12% to 44% in the West Bank.

Polls conducted Nov 22-Dec 2
https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas ... 3844bc4514
That's hugely bad news for Palestinians. It only means they're falling farther and farther under the spell of the homicidal maniacs who are responsible for their exploitation, brutalization and now destruction. What a sad turn.
Violence brings violence. I told you.
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bahman wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 9:09 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 8:51 pm
phyllo wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 8:09 pm
Support for Hamas has gone from 38% three months ago to 42% in Gaza.

It has gone from 12% to 44% in the West Bank.

Polls conducted Nov 22-Dec 2
https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas ... 3844bc4514
That's hugely bad news for Palestinians. It only means they're falling farther and farther under the spell of the homicidal maniacs who are responsible for their exploitation, brutalization and now destruction. What a sad turn.
Violence brings violence. I told you.
Well, that's certainly turned out to be true: Hamas's violent attack on Israel has issued in a lot of violence.

But how is that a useful insight, since Hamas insists on violence? Are you thinking you're going to get them to stop by waving your hands and saying, "Violence brings violence"? :shock:
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Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 9:16 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 9:09 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 8:51 pm
That's hugely bad news for Palestinians. It only means they're falling farther and farther under the spell of the homicidal maniacs who are responsible for their exploitation, brutalization and now destruction. What a sad turn.
Violence brings violence. I told you.
Well, that's certainly turned out to be true: Hamas's violent attack on Israel has issued in a lot of violence.

But how is that a useful insight, since Hamas insists on violence? Are you thinking you're going to get them to stop by waving your hands and saying, "Violence brings violence"? :shock:
That was a word of wisdom. Israel cannot vanish Hamas by striving to violence and Hamas cannot vanish Israel as well. So let's both parties suffer!
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bahman wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 9:26 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 9:16 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 9:09 pm
Violence brings violence. I told you.
Well, that's certainly turned out to be true: Hamas's violent attack on Israel has issued in a lot of violence.

But how is that a useful insight, since Hamas insists on violence? Are you thinking you're going to get them to stop by waving your hands and saying, "Violence brings violence"? :shock:
That was a word of wisdom. Israel cannot vanish Hamas by striving to violence and Hamas cannot vanish Israel as well. So let's both parties suffer!
Not necessarily so "wise." It tells us about the problem, but has no solution.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 9:36 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 9:26 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 9:16 pm
Well, that's certainly turned out to be true: Hamas's violent attack on Israel has issued in a lot of violence.

But how is that a useful insight, since Hamas insists on violence? Are you thinking you're going to get them to stop by waving your hands and saying, "Violence brings violence"? :shock:
That was a word of wisdom. Israel cannot vanish Hamas by striving to violence and Hamas cannot vanish Israel as well. So let's both parties suffer!
Not necessarily so "wise." It tells us about the problem, but has no solution.
It is also a solution if both parties understand and submit to it.
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bahman wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 9:40 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 9:36 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 9:26 pm
That was a word of wisdom. Israel cannot vanish Hamas by striving to violence and Hamas cannot vanish Israel as well. So let's both parties suffer!
Not necessarily so "wise." It tells us about the problem, but has no solution.
It is also a solution if both parties understand and submit to it.
Hamas will not. You could try the Israelis, but so long as Hamas will not, they cannot either.
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