All you've said in the answer to the question is ''I see my hand''...you haven't answered what the seer looks like, because a 'hand' is not the seer.
Is your hand looking at you? that's all you are implying.
Nevermind.
But dear, I think he needs a body too. Perhaps we should allow him to have at least the hand that he sees? We can of course work on fleshing him out a little more, but so far all we seem to have is a hand to work with.
Yes, and he's the one who says we are more than just meat. So all I'm trying to do is flesh out of him what this ''more'' looks like?
All he's got are words, but these words cannot touch what is being expressed here.
And once this is seen, it is seen that there is no seer that can be seen. But Henry says otherwise, he says he has seen the seer. He claims he knows what the seer looks like. That's like saying an eyeball can look at itself.
henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:42 pm
if you want in to the conversation, get caught up: review the exchange between DAM me, upthread. Some of what you're askin' about has been addressed. She's too dim to get it: mebbe you're not so dim.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:43 pm
And once this is seen, it is seen that there is no seer that can be seen.
Oh dear, that might make Henry a "chatbot" in that case. I think it would be best to give him a body too so that he can do something in the world of substance. I don't think we want to be talking to chatbots. At least I'd rather not talk to Henry if he is nothing more than a chatbot.
if you want in to the conversation, get caught up: review the exchange between DAM me, upthread. Some of what you're askin' about has been addressed. She's too dim to get it: mebbe you're not so dim.
Also, there's this...
henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:41 pmIf mind is sumthin' other than a product of the brain, then that sumthin' isn't necessarily confined to the brain. We might say it, this sumthin', is focused on or in the brain, but it also interpenetrates the body in its entirety.
My belief, as I've said elsewhere, is man is a composite being, an admixture of spirit and substance, two very different things, each utterly reliant in the other. Man is, in my view, not a soul ridin' around temporarily in a meat car, the driver's seat bein' the brain. No, man is an amalgam, both flesh and spirit equally.
Why can't you just answer the question...what does the seer look like?
If you can't answer that, fine. Either say you know or you don't know, it doesn't matter, honesty is all I care about.
It's like the God word...everyone talks about it, but has anyone ever seen what god looks like...no of course not.
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if you want in to the conversation, get caught up: review the exchange between DAM me, upthread. Some of what you're askin' about has been addressed. She's too dim to get it: mebbe you're not so dim.
Also, there's this...
henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:41 pmIf mind is sumthin' other than a product of the brain, then that sumthin' isn't necessarily confined to the brain. We might say it, this sumthin', is focused on or in the brain, but it also interpenetrates the body in its entirety.
My belief, as I've said elsewhere, is man is a composite being, an admixture of spirit and substance, two very different things, each utterly reliant in the other. Man is, in my view, not a soul ridin' around temporarily in a meat car, the driver's seat bein' the brain. No, man is an amalgam, both flesh and spirit equally.
henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:41 pmIf mind is sumthin' other than a product of the brain, then that sumthin' isn't necessarily confined to the brain. We might say it, this sumthin', is focused on or in the brain, but it also interpenetrates the body in its entirety.
My belief, as I've said elsewhere, is man is a composite being, an admixture of spirit and substance, two very different things, each utterly reliant in the other. Man is, in my view, not a soul ridin' around temporarily in a meat car, the driver's seat bein' the brain. No, man is an amalgam, both flesh and spirit equally.
But you said that man is more than just meat. If like you say man is a composite being, then what is the ''more'' you speak of, surely everything about man is already a composite of parts all blended together as a whole composite. There's obviously nothing MORE to man is there?
A sobering article. News sources are relying more on AI to dig up news than they are on physical human beings "on the ground" or who are actually "there" so to speak. Unplugging is very difficult, however, I would say that economies need to invest less in AI and more in agriculture. Tech has become a kind of scam game that investors are diverting their resources into instead of truly productive activities such as farming, etc.
henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:41 pmIf mind is sumthin' other than a product of the brain, then that sumthin' isn't necessarily confined to the brain. We might say it, this sumthin', is focused on or in the brain, but it also interpenetrates the body in its entirety.
My belief, as I've said elsewhere, is man is a composite being, an admixture of spirit and substance, two very different things, each utterly reliant in the other. Man is, in my view, not a soul ridin' around temporarily in a meat car, the driver's seat bein' the brain. No, man is an amalgam, both flesh and spirit equally.
But you said that man is more than just meat. If like you say man is a composite being, then what is the ''more'' you speak of, surely everything about man is already a composite of parts all blended together as a whole composite. There's obviously nothing MORE to man is there?
...is what I hope not to see from you. You can see the dimness in her reaction (it doesn't qualify as a response) to my post, yeah?
With DAM, sure: remains to be seen if you're in it with me.
Go ahead: dazzle me with your understanding of my view.
My view is that, like me, you lack meaningful employment in the physical world. What many of us should be doing right now is spending less effort on interfacing with a computer and more effort doing things that are truly productive tasks that need to be done. If it is true that Ukraine is being destroyed right now, then that is going to have an effect on the world's food supply. That needs to be remedied somehow. Also, urban and suburban development of housing, retail, and office space needs to be curtailed to make room for the growing of food, especially plant food. An overreliance on meat products is an unrealistic farming practice. Too much investment in AI tech, can help in some ways right now, if it is geared toward the farming industry, however, if our monetary resources are being diverted or invested disproportionately into companies that do little more than create AI code, and programs or leave people interfacing with a computer all day long, then we have plenty of that already.
Why can't you just answer the question...what does the seer look like?
I've offered, multiple times, to describe myself (a particular seer) in lieu of a selfie.
You apparently think the seer is some abstract; I do not.
We're sayin' different things and neither of us gets the other.
Nope, you are the one who is assuming there is an abstract here, not me.
You were the one who said there is ''more'' to man than just meat.
I already understand there is nothing more to man than just meat. There is only meat here on this planet.
But it's you that seems to want to go beyond the just meat game, which would be an abstract idea...and now you are trying to pin that on me as if I am implying the seer is an abstract idea.
Thanks for moving the goal post you accuse me of doing.
henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:41 pmIf mind is sumthin' other than a product of the brain, then that sumthin' isn't necessarily confined to the brain. We might say it, this sumthin', is focused on or in the brain, but it also interpenetrates the body in its entirety.
My belief, as I've said elsewhere, is man is a composite being, an admixture of spirit and substance, two very different things, each utterly reliant in the other. Man is, in my view, not a soul ridin' around temporarily in a meat car, the driver's seat bein' the brain. No, man is an amalgam, both flesh and spirit equally.
But you said that man is more than just meat. If like you say man is a composite being, then what is the ''more'' you speak of, surely everything about man is already a composite of parts all blended together as a whole composite. There's obviously nothing MORE to man is there?
...is what I hope not to see from you. You can see the dimness in her reaction (it doesn't qualify as a response) to my post, yeah?
Do better than her.
Then explain what you mean by more ? when you say there is more to man than just meat?
henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:24 pm
We're sayin' different things and neither of us gets the other.
Then why don't you try to focus your awareness on what it is each of us are not understanding what the other is saying so that we can form a mutual understanding? build a bridge so to speak.
So yes, it's easier to just say you are done, or to make the other seem dim, or stupid, or not worth a voice, same as you do with Age.
But you said that man is more than just meat. If like you say man is a composite being, then what is the ''more'' you speak of, surely everything about man is already a composite of parts all blended together as a whole composite. There's obviously nothing MORE to man is there?
...is what I hope not to see from you. You can see the dimness in her reaction (it doesn't qualify as a response) to my post, yeah?
Do better than her.
Then explain what you mean by more ? when you say there is more to man than just meat?
There is also the mind or the quality of the person who inhabits the body. "Meat" is a food, something that is eaten by other living beings. A human is not "meat" in that sense to each other, or at least shouldn't be in my book. I think the term that Henry wishes to use is "body" or even "substance" or "material". All meat is food, however, all bodies, substances or materials are not food.
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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 4:52 pm
What are we even here for if we are not interested in seeking resonance and connection, like connecting all the dots (ideas) in an attempt to form the whole picture.
Take it in reverse. If there were a whole Humpty Dumpty picture to contemplate, all the commentary on it would soon turn it into a smorgasbord of detached and missing pieces never to be put back together again. We don't synthesize, we disorganize. Harmony is less argued about than its opposite. We are here not to create resonance but dissonance which is the reason there are endless tit-for-tat posts. Philosophy and opinion forums are war zones more of dismemberment than forging new ideas.
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