Corporation Socialism

[Age]

Nothing of the kind. I'm just pointing out the facts. Whether your opinion conforms to them or not decides whether your opinion's actually right or not.

Really? So those millions coming across your borders are just lost?

As a Christian, how do you discern between what is the will of God and what is something we humans need to actively do something about to prevent ourselves? And are you sure that Trump is not someone that we need to get out of office? Is there reason to believe that Trump is good. And if so, what are those reasons?

I'm not sure I understand the question. I'm not an American. I can't do anything about your political situation.

ONCE AGAIN, ANOTHER ATTEMPT AT ABSOLUTE DETRACTION, DEFLECTION, and DECEPTION.

'This one' CONTINUALLY PROVES that it is MUCH CLOSER TO BEING FAR MORE 'devil' LIKE, than 'christian' like.

[Alexiev]

Really? So those millions coming across your borders are just lost?

What you wrote earlier was, "everybody in every other country is desperate to get in there (America).." Those of us familiar with basic arithmetic might condescend to point out that there are 8 billion people in the world and that "millions" do not constitute "everybody".

Besides, many of those eager millions are probably just trying to get away from you.

[Immanuel Can]

Really? So those millions coming across your borders are just lost?

What you wrote earlier was, "everybody in every other country is desperate to get in there (America).." Those of us familiar with basic arithmetic might condescend to point out that there are 8 billion people in the world and that "millions" do not constitute "everybody".

Ah, the literalist comes out! Well, I'll grant you that "millions" is somewhat less than "world population," but I think you get the point...even if you pretend not to.

[Belinda]

Once again, you are making up.my opinions for me.

Nothing of the kind. I'm just pointing out the facts. Whether your opinion conforms to them or not decides whether your opinion's actually right or not.

I also have repeatedly defended my country against the anti Americans on this site, most of whom, contrary to your idiotic claim, are not desperate to come here.

Really? So those millions coming across your borders are just lost?

As a Christian, how do you discern between what is the will of God and what is something we humans need to actively do something about to prevent ourselves? And are you sure that Trump is not someone that we need to get out of office? Is there reason to believe that Trump is good. And if so, what are those reasons?

Immanuel says he cannot answer you.

I gather that many if not most card-carrying Christians are expected to believe that God intervenes in nature, that's to say God intervenes in human affairs. This implies that God makes exceptions to His own deterministic diktat when it so pleases Him.

There is a different set of Christians who may be too disruptive to belong to certain churches because those Christians believe that God's diktat included that, according to the divine System of nature, humans have a faculty of reason and should therefor understand the practical moral and political truth of Jesus' "Beatitudes". Such Christians would not think that special petitionary prayers are reasonable. For instance it's unreasonable to pray for special favours but reasonable to pray "Thy will be done".

[Immanuel Can]

Nothing of the kind. I'm just pointing out the facts. Whether your opinion conforms to them or not decides whether your opinion's actually right or not.

Really? So those millions coming across your borders are just lost?

As a Christian, how do you discern between what is the will of God and what is something we humans need to actively do something about to prevent ourselves? And are you sure that Trump is not someone that we need to get out of office? Is there reason to believe that Trump is good. And if so, what are those reasons?

Immanuel says he cannot answer you.

I didn't actually. I can't understand the relevance of the question. I'm not an American, so I can't do anything about Gary's political situation.

I gather that many if not most card-carrying Christians are expected to believe that God intervenes in nature, that's to say God intervenes in human affairs. This implies that God makes exceptions to His own deterministic diktat when it so pleases Him.

That's not correct, either. Why would anybody's actions (whether God's or yours) ever amount to a "deterministic kiktat"? Is that what it amounts to when you "intervene" in somebody's affairs? Or are you merely using hyperbolical language to make some less-than-obvious point?

But maybe the point is that we need to get back to the question of "corporation Socialism."

[Gary Childress]

As a Christian, how do you discern between what is the will of God and what is something we humans need to actively do something about to prevent ourselves? And are you sure that Trump is not someone that we need to get out of office? Is there reason to believe that Trump is good. And if so, what are those reasons?

Immanuel says he cannot answer you.

I didn't actually. I can't understand the relevance of the question. I'm not an American, so I can't do anything about Gary's political situation.

But you can tell us that Trump is not all that bad and that we are overreacting to his policies and comments. Is that correct?

[Immanuel Can]

Immanuel says he cannot answer you.

I didn't actually. I can't understand the relevance of the question. I'm not an American, so I can't do anything about Gary's political situation.

But you can tell us that Trump is not all that bad and that we are overreacting to his policies and comments. Is that correct?

I haven't said much about him at all. Why should I, since he's not my politician?

Is there some policy he's enacted that you think isn't good? What is it?

[Gary Childress]

I didn't actually. I can't understand the relevance of the question. I'm not an American, so I can't do anything about Gary's political situation.

But you can tell us that Trump is not all that bad and that we are overreacting to his policies and comments. Is that correct?

I haven't said much about him at all. Why should I, since he's not my politician?

Is there some policy he's enacted that you think isn't good? What is it?

1) He's causing massive government cuts and layoffs that could disrupt social services or worse, end them altogether.

2) He's turning on most of our Allies, alienating them from us.

3) He wants to kick the Palestinians out of Gaza and the West Bank. That's going to go over in the ME like a lead balloon and probably escalate tensions even more than they currently are.

4) He's ended birthright citizenship which is in the 14th Amendment. It normally requires a vote from congress to repeal or alter an amendment.

5) He's acting like a dictator.

6) He released hundreds of people involved in the insurrection of January 2021, including some who were guilty of assaulting police.

7) He's a convicted felon.

Does any of that sound to you like qualities of a bad President?

[Immanuel Can]

But you can tell us that Trump is not all that bad and that we are overreacting to his policies and comments. Is that correct?

I haven't said much about him at all. Why should I, since he's not my politician?

Is there some policy he's enacted that you think isn't good? What is it?

1) He's causing massive government cuts and layoffs that could disrupt social services or worse, end them altogether.

2) He's turning on most of our Allies, alienating them from us.

3) He wants to kick the Palestinians out of Gaza and the West Bank. That's going to go over in the ME like a lead balloon and probably escalate tensions even more than they currently are.

4) He's ended birthright citizenship which is in the 14th Amendment. It normally requires a vote from congress to repeal or alter an amendment.

5) He's acting like a dictator.

6) He released hundreds of people involved in the insurrection of January 2021, including some who were guilty of assaulting police.

7) He's a convicted felon.

Does any of that sound to you like qualities of a bad President?

Not my issue. You'll have to settle that yourself.

[Belinda]

As a Christian, how do you discern between what is the will of God and what is something we humans need to actively do something about to prevent ourselves? And are you sure that Trump is not someone that we need to get out of office? Is there reason to believe that Trump is good. And if so, what are those reasons?

Immanuel says he cannot answer you.

I didn't actually. I can't understand the relevance of the question. I'm not an American, so I can't do anything about Gary's political situation.

I gather that many if not most card-carrying Christians are expected to believe that God intervenes in nature, that's to say God intervenes in human affairs. This implies that God makes exceptions to His own deterministic diktat when it so pleases Him.

That's not correct, either. Why would anybody's actions (whether God's or yours) ever amount to a "deterministic kiktat"? Is that what it amounts to when you "intervene" in somebody's affairs? Or are you merely using hyperbolical language to make some less-than-obvious point?

But maybe the point is that we need to get back to the question of "corporation Socialism."

Look at the first line of Genesis and the first line of the Gospel of John, and if you cannot see that God is deterministic ---------!

What do you think Logos refers to.

[Immanuel Can]

Immanuel says he cannot answer you.

I didn't actually. I can't understand the relevance of the question. I'm not an American, so I can't do anything about Gary's political situation.

I gather that many if not most card-carrying Christians are expected to believe that God intervenes in nature, that's to say God intervenes in human affairs. This implies that God makes exceptions to His own deterministic diktat when it so pleases Him.

That's not correct, either. Why would anybody's actions (whether God's or yours) ever amount to a "deterministic kiktat"? Is that what it amounts to when you "intervene" in somebody's affairs? Or are you merely using hyperbolical language to make some less-than-obvious point?

But maybe the point is that we need to get back to the question of "corporation Socialism."

Look at the first line of Genesis and the first line of the Gospel of John, and if you cannot see that God is deterministic ---------!

Point out what you think is "Deterministic" about those lines. There's nothing, actually.

What do you think Logos refers to.

Word. Speech. Expression. It's Greek.

[Belinda]

I didn't actually. I can't understand the relevance of the question. I'm not an American, so I can't do anything about Gary's political situation.

That's not correct, either. Why would anybody's actions (whether God's or yours) ever amount to a "deterministic kiktat"? Is that what it amounts to when you "intervene" in somebody's affairs? Or are you merely using hyperbolical language to make some less-than-obvious point?

But maybe the point is that we need to get back to the question of "corporation Socialism."

Look at the first line of Genesis and the first line of the Gospel of John, and if you cannot see that God is deterministic ---------!

Point out what you think is "Deterministic" about those lines. There's nothing, actually.

What do you think Logos refers to.

Word. Speech. Expression. It's Greek.

Theologically Logos refers to the word of God. The word of God is not merely any old word but is God's "Let it be".

"In the beginning God" (John) refers to time sequence. You see, the beginning implies what comes after the beginning; God is the maker of time itself. The force that makes for change over time is not chaotic but deterministic.

[Immanuel Can]

Look at the first line of Genesis and the first line of the Gospel of John, and if you cannot see that God is deterministic ---------!

Point out what you think is "Deterministic" about those lines. There's nothing, actually.

What do you think Logos refers to.

Word. Speech. Expression. It's Greek.

Theologically Logos refers to the word of God. The word of God is not merely any old word but is God's "Let it be".

Yes. God's Word. And?

"In the beginning God" (John) refers to time sequence.

No, to a point in time, clearly. That which has a "beginning" commences at a particular point, for a particular reason, and doesn't merely "congeal out of the mists of time," or something like that. The point is that God is the First Cause, the Creator. But where are we going with that?

You see, the beginning implies what comes after the beginning; God is the maker of time itself.

Time automatically comes into being with matter. Time is essentially the interval required to traverse the distance between any two points. Once you have two atoms, you've automatically got time, as well.

The force that makes for change over time is not chaotic but deterministic.

Well, the opposite of "chaotic" is something like "intentional" or "orderly." It doesn't imply "deterministic": it merely indicates that subsequent events are not following random patterns, but patterns that make some sort of logical sense relative to one another...plausibly, like cause-and-effect, or rational entailment, or time sequencing, or action-and-consequence...there are various possible inferences from that, and likely, more than one.

Nothing I can see in the Genesis account invites you to exclude all that and to opt for determinism. And everything subsequent in Scripture amounts to a refutation of determinism, since human actions are revealed as making a difference or as changing possible outcomes, and humans are held responsible for the choices they make.

So if you think this makes some sort of case for determinism rather than, say action-and-consequence, you'll have to explain why you think it's so.

[Belinda]

As a Christian, how do you discern between what is the will of God and what is something we humans need to actively do something about to prevent ourselves? And are you sure that Trump is not someone that we need to get out of office? Is there reason to believe that Trump is good. And if so, what are those reasons?

Immanuel says he cannot answer you.

I didn't actually. I can't understand the relevance of the question. I'm not an American, so I can't do anything about Gary's political situation.

I gather that many if not most card-carrying Christians are expected to believe that God intervenes in nature, that's to say God intervenes in human affairs. This implies that God makes exceptions to His own deterministic diktat when it so pleases Him.

That's not correct, either. Why would anybody's actions (whether God's or yours) ever amount to a "deterministic kiktat"? Is that what it amounts to when you "intervene" in somebody's affairs? Or are you merely using hyperbolical language to make some less-than-obvious point?

But maybe the point is that we need to get back to the question of "corporation Socialism."

I've not made myself clear. I can intervene because , unlike eternal God, I am immersed in time. God, in the beginning, created the whole of the phenomenal world including the cosmic Christ. Me, I create nothing that endures.

[Immanuel Can]

Immanuel says he cannot answer you.

I didn't actually. I can't understand the relevance of the question. I'm not an American, so I can't do anything about Gary's political situation.

I gather that many if not most card-carrying Christians are expected to believe that God intervenes in nature, that's to say God intervenes in human affairs. This implies that God makes exceptions to His own deterministic diktat when it so pleases Him.

That's not correct, either. Why would anybody's actions (whether God's or yours) ever amount to a "deterministic kiktat"? Is that what it amounts to when you "intervene" in somebody's affairs? Or are you merely using hyperbolical language to make some less-than-obvious point?

But maybe the point is that we need to get back to the question of "corporation Socialism."

I've not made myself clear. I can intervene because , unlike eternal God, I am immersed in time. God, in the beginning, created the whole of the phenomenal world including the cosmic Christ. Me, I create nothing that endures.

"The cosmic christ?" What religion are you drawing that idea from? It's not Christianity, for sure. No such phase or concept exists there.

As for you and me, we create all kinds of things that endure: in fact, every action we take has eternal significance, according to Scripture. You can believe that or not, but it's true.

If Determinism were true, you couldn't "intervene" at all, in anything. But you can, and you know you can, and you say you can: so Determinism is false. That follows automatically, if you are right.