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Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2024 11:28 am
Putin's tanks are rolling across Ukraine, right now, under Biden's office...

I thought his office was in the White House.

"Putin's tanks are rolling across Ukraine, right now, under Biden's office..."

Ukraine isn't under the white house, dummy. It's over in the middle east somewhere.

A few thoughts on Pearl Davis

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2024 8:25 amAgain, I see her as a 'symptom' of these greater sociological trends. In particular, Pearl is somewhat liberal-leftist herself, having black ex-boyfriends. So there is a bit of convolution and blurring of the Left/Right, Liberal/Conservative paradigms recently. I would strike them all as 'Centrist' and 'Moderate', which may expand, because of the extremist pulls to the Left or Right in Western Civilization. Thus, the waters are 'muddied' so-to-speak. There are many conflicting values at work, many different Causes, which may or may not be the primary and most influential causes.

Generally, I start from the position that YouTubers and other Social Media stars carve out a niche for themselves not solely because they want to share their ideas and *influence* but also because it turns into a business for them. There is tons of money being made and money is always very attractive. This is not to undermine the ideas of course.

I watched about 40 minutes of the video you linked to. Unfortunately, neither of these two could understand the position of the other well enough to get beyond talking over each other. If one wanted to get right down to the brass tacks one would have to say that in our culture, and for a long time, the idea of the Sanctity of Marriage reigned; and further that marriage was understood to be a fundamental expression of religiosity. That is why it is one of the seven sacraments. As such it is elevated to a very exalted plane and infused with all kinds of metaphysical meaning.

Though Pearl was raised in Catholicism (this came up in the talk between her and Knowles, Knowles being a practicing traditional Catholic) she seems to lack a solid grasp of the Catholic dogma about what marriage is. But it is clear that she is not a YouTube influencer with a Catholic message, or a religious message, and I am not even sure she has a moral message; her position is simply that she is scathingly critical of women and the power that has been given to them through our social conventions and laws that induce them to leave their marriages.

If I could base my assessment on the few videos I've watched, she also clearly points out that women have been induced to exploit sexuality to all advantage. Her shtick is that women have become perverse in respect to former value sets and value structures. She says that since you cannot trust women, and in the present dispensation the law will always favor her, that it is inadvisable for any man to marry, and she supports (or explains) this hesitancy. One wonders if the majority of her audience -- large indeed -- is composed of men or women.

What she says -- and does not go much further -- is that for the situation to improve "the laws must change". Yet she does not seem to address the fundamental issue of the corruption of values by people who have become corrupted by desire. Take desire at its widest such as What pleases and fulfills me in a given moment or What seems to provide the maximum advantage.

I will wager to assert that if there is no longer a spiritual belief in what marriage is, that is if it is not actually and really understood to be a religious commitment, that I do not think that people will choose to remain together once the burden of life together becomes greater than the seeming advantages. In many marriages with children they fall apart often after the children get to a certain age. All the struggle of those years and people locked together in the daily grind seems to exhaust people and the partners develop contempt for each other. So what realistic alternative is there? People say "I have a chance still to claim a bit of happiness or satisfaction if I pull the plug" and they take that chance rather than remaining in what looks like a dead-end.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2024 8:34 am Seeds, if you're so Anti-War, which I presume that's still one of the most important political stances for you...then why would you in anyway be against the Trump Administration which brought relatively more 'peace' to the world than any politician before or after, especially Biden?

Did you ever consider the possibility that the only reason why Trump didn't stumblebum us into some major military catastrophe somewhere on the globe is because he was too embroiled in his disastrous and incompetent handling of the covid19 epidemic, which probably led to the unnecessary deaths of hundreds of thousands of our fellow citizens? (https://youtu.be/JamqcGVkAcA)

Furthermore, it is unfathomable to me that I am being asked to defend why I would prefer that the country I am a citizen of, not be headed up by a pathological liar.

We're talking about someone who I made the following observations about in this prior discussion with you...

seeds wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 11:48 pm ...I provided you with a quote that said that according to later Hebrew prophets, the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah (for which S & G were purposely destroyed by God) were adultery, pridefulness, and uncharitableness, and that Trump (your dear leader) is the poster boy for all three of those sins, not to mention several others.

I mean, how does Trump fare in terms of the "Seven Deadly Sins"?

Let's see...

• 1. Pride (The Hebrew prophets already covered that one, something of which Trump exudes in great profusion, like some kind of foul body odor.)
  
  2. Greed (Are you kidding?)
  
  3. Lust (Again, are you kidding? - the grab 'em by the "P" guy?)
  
  4. Envy (Clearly, he strongly envies the power wielded by his favorite dictators (Kim and Vladimir), along with anyone who has a buck (quid) more in the bank than him.)
  
  5. Gluttony (Have you seen his enormous rump?)
  
  6. Wrath (A large portion of his M.O. consists of verbal and, especially, litigious wrath against innumerable people he has attempted to destroy over the years.)
  
  7. Sloth (Well, he's definitely not slothful when it comes to committing all of the sins listed above.)

So there you have it, the only sin he is absolved of is the sin of slothfulness, and that's only because he's extremely busy working at all of the other sins.

As I have pointed out several times before, Trump is the perfect person to represent the contemporary American ethos as we rapidly approach our destiny of becoming "Sodom and Gomorrah 2.0".

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2024 8:34 am Did you see the disastrous calamity, pullout of Afghanistan? Did you know that Putin invaded Ukraine, under Biden? Are you aware of the genocide occurring in Israel right now, also under Biden?

If you're pro-Peace, then why not vote Trump??? Seriously, I'm curious!

As I implied earlier, pretty much all politicians are nothing more than a bunch of self-serving, power-hungry, sleepwalking idiots, of which none can be trusted, and that includes Joe Biden.

Now, with that being understood, are you seriously asking me why I wouldn't want to reward one of the most deceitful and unethical humans to ever walk the face of the earth with a seat of power and privilege where he (without a doubt) will attempt to pardon himself (and his cronies) of the litany of treasonous and immoral crimes he's committed over the years?

Sure, it may achieve a necessary change in the awful state of American politics, but to reference something else I said in that 2016 thread I quoted from in a recent post to AJ...

seeds wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2016 10:25 pm A justifiable desperation to want to change the status quo of the broken American political system is no excuse for the even greater damage that could ensue by electing a Mussolini-ish dictator into office.

It’s as if a significantly large and clueless segment of the population are completely oblivious of the fact that they are blindly following an extremely dangerous script from a horrific era of 20th century Europe.

You and the ever-articulate AJ are unwitting victims of the influence of the aforementioned karmic forces at play here, and you guys need to wake up before you actually get the unexpected results of what you're wishing for.

Now I don't claim to know what it is, but we need to come up with a better plan - one that does not involve the leadership skills of someone whom I've suggested as being the metaphorical equivalent of "nasty pus" rising to the head of a boil.
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seeds wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2024 4:40 pm You and the ever-articulate AJ are unwitting victims of the influence of the aforementioned karmic forces at play here, and you guys need to wake up before you actually get the unexpected results of what you're wishing for.

How do you know that I am •unwitting• and “not aware of the full facts” of modern (American) politics?

I see Trump differently. He is in a sense similar to yours a manifestation of “karma” (but this implies a distributor of karmic reactions) but I see him as a •manifestation• in a Jungian sense: those Great Men who appear on the world stage for a whole range of reasons — psycho-social, subliminal, even unconscious. The fact is that Trump has significantly disrupted the American political and social show. I see that as positive however his chaos is also dangerous. And I make the choice to ally myself with that rather than support the (detestable) Democrat establishment. I admit my contempt of them has an irrational element.

I like many more of the people who like (admire and admire/tolerate) Trump than I do any Democrat that I can think of. I bank on them and their potential influence if it happens that the tide is shifted in America. It is improbable — downward trends hardly ever reverse themselves before the bottom out in catastrophe — and so I play my part in a theatre of enactment though I don’t have much faith in the possibility of improvement.

All of my Liberal and ultra-Liberal friends from my university days all voted for Biden (I’ve always lived in ultra-Liberal college towns) and I am out to spite them! May their tofu go rotten and poison them! It is an issue of the ethics of spite: I am preferring that displaced, abused, broke and angry Northern workingman to those faggoty snots I used to know. I want to see them squirm when Payback Day comes round the corner.

Pus, also known as liquor puris, is a thick yellowish, whitish, or greenish fluid made up of dead white blood cells, dead tissues, and dead bacteria or fungi. It is produced as part of the body's response to an infection. Pus is usually odorless but can emit a foul odor if the infection is severe.

Well, we are all aware that America’s body politic is sick and infected, but we do not have clarity as to why this is so, nor do we have a genuine program for amelioration.

Seeds, you need to work through your metaphors with more diligence.

seeds wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2024 4:40 pm
one of the most deceitful and unethical humans to ever walk the face of the earth with a seat of power and privilege where he (without a doubt) will attempt to pardon himself (and his cronies) of the litany of treasonous and immoral crimes he's committed over the years?

Man, you’ve got yourself a severe case of TDS! You are your own pus!

Yey 4 more years of blindfolded shadowboxing. Luckily, the US's international allies are already learning to not count too much on the US, are adapting to it.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2024 5:44 pm

seeds wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2024 4:40 pm
one of the most deceitful and unethical humans to ever walk the face of the earth with a seat of power and privilege where he (without a doubt) will attempt to pardon himself (and his cronies) of the litany of treasonous and immoral crimes he's committed over the years?

Man, you’ve got yourself a severe case of TDS! You are your own pus!

It just seems like an accurate character assessment to me. In fact, I found it a bit understated.

Sure, but what you might not see is what you yourself project.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2024 6:06 pm Sure, but what you might not see is what you yourself project.

I think your failure to see what Trump projects is the cause for concern here.

Harbal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2024 6:15 pm

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2024 6:06 pm Sure, but what you might not see is what you yourself project.

I think your failure to see what Trump projects is the cause for concern here.

I'll drink to that.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2024 5:33 pm

seeds wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2024 4:40 pm You and the ever-articulate AJ are unwitting victims of the influence of the aforementioned karmic forces at play here, and you guys need to wake up before you actually get the unexpected results of what you're wishing for.

How do you know that I am •unwitting• and “not aware of the full facts” of modern (American) politics?

I see Trump differently. He is in a sense similar to yours a manifestation of “karma” (but this implies a distributor of karmic reactions) but I see him as a •manifestation• in a Jungian sense: those Great Men who appear on the world stage for a whole range of reasons — psycho-social, subliminal, even unconscious. The fact is that Trump has significantly disrupted the American political and social show. I see that as positive however his chaos is also dangerous. And I make the choice to ally myself with that rather than support the (detestable) Democrat establishment. I admit my contempt of them has an irrational element.

I like many more of the people who like (admire and admire/tolerate) Trump than I do any Democrat that I can think of. I bank on them and their potential influence if it happens that the tide is shifted in America. It is improbable — downward trends hardly ever reverse themselves before the bottom out in catastrophe — and so I play my part in a theatre of enactment though I don’t have much faith in the possibility of improvement.

All of my Liberal and ultra-Liberal friends from my university days all voted for Biden (I’ve always lived in ultra-Liberal college towns) and I am out to spite them! May their tofu go rotten and poison them! It is an issue of the ethics of spite: I am preferring that displaced, abused, broke and angry Northern workingman to those faggoty snots I used to know. I want to see them squirm when Payback Day comes round the corner.

Here's how most people in the world see Trump. Apparently he has trouble keeping it in, because he is so full of it.

Again, you cannot see the degree of intensity of your projections.

You are the •pus• itself.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2024 6:25 pm

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2024 5:33 pm

seeds wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2024 4:40 pm You and the ever-articulate AJ are unwitting victims of the influence of the aforementioned karmic forces at play here, and you guys need to wake up before you actually get the unexpected results of what you're wishing for.

How do you know that I am •unwitting• and “not aware of the full facts” of modern (American) politics?

I see Trump differently. He is in a sense similar to yours a manifestation of “karma” (but this implies a distributor of karmic reactions) but I see him as a •manifestation• in a Jungian sense: those Great Men who appear on the world stage for a whole range of reasons — psycho-social, subliminal, even unconscious. The fact is that Trump has significantly disrupted the American political and social show. I see that as positive however his chaos is also dangerous. And I make the choice to ally myself with that rather than support the (detestable) Democrat establishment. I admit my contempt of them has an irrational element.

I like many more of the people who like (admire and admire/tolerate) Trump than I do any Democrat that I can think of. I bank on them and their potential influence if it happens that the tide is shifted in America. It is improbable — downward trends hardly ever reverse themselves before the bottom out in catastrophe — and so I play my part in a theatre of enactment though I don’t have much faith in the possibility of improvement.

All of my Liberal and ultra-Liberal friends from my university days all voted for Biden (I’ve always lived in ultra-Liberal college towns) and I am out to spite them! May their tofu go rotten and poison them! It is an issue of the ethics of spite: I am preferring that displaced, abused, broke and angry Northern workingman to those faggoty snots I used to know. I want to see them squirm when Payback Day comes round the corner.

Here's how most people in the world see Trump. Apparently he has trouble keeping it in, because he is so full of it.
trump on toilet.jpg

The only thing that's missing is the golden toilet bowl. If he poops in that, he could readily can it and sell it to his devotees as a limited edition of a purely personal nature; after all, he needs the money to pay for his army of lawyers. Considering all the verbal shit his many devotees have unconditionally accepted and even applauded, such a personal souvenir of his inner being consisting mostly of digested cheeseburgers being so compatible with his saintly verbal output, would be akin to bidding on a holy relic.