Re: Dasein/dasein
Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2025 10:54 pm
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On the other hand, given this...Heidegger’s Project: Reinterpreting Ontology
In Being and Time, Martin Heidegger takes on the immense task of reinterpreting ontology, the branch of philosophy that deals with the nature of being itself.
Ah, the concept of existence. In other words, something that can be explored, examined and interpreted up in the philosophical clouds. And, sure, I can certainly accept that this is perhaps the place to start.Specifically, Heidegger grapples with one simple yet profound question: What does it mean to say something exists? And not just this-or-that kind of existence (like mine or yours), but rather the very concept of existence.
On the other hand, of what practical use is philosophy if the dots are not connected between being itself and our individual interactions? After all, look at what Heidegger embraced himself existentially as an individual.According to Heidegger, previous philosophical traditions have failed to address this question. Instead of focusing on the meaning of being itself, thinkers got sidetracked into considering particular beings.
Because you are not everywhere at once as is the useful Raven who serves Odin. In an existential crisis this fact is borne home to you with immediate effect as the horse you have just fallen off drags you along you focus on how to free your foot from the stirrup iron.Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sun Jul 20, 2025 10:54 pmPlease explain (?)Belinda wrote: ↑Sun Jul 20, 2025 8:01 pmYou can't be an Odin's raven in an existential crisisAlexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sat Jul 19, 2025 7:20 pm
Think of me as one of Odin’s ravens (Huggín). I fly between all the levels.
Which, of course, is what any number of folks around the globe do. Some because their lives revolve around subsisting from day to day. While others simply leave all that ontological and teleological stuff to the ecclesiastics. For them, taxonomy is encompassed in one or another scripture. Then the objectivists among us who insist that what existence entails is embedded in their own [and only on their own] dogmatic assumptions. Ideologues for example.To explain, traditional ontology, as practiced by Aristotle, for example, tends to be fairly taxonomic. It wants to list all the different kinds of things that can be said to exist without necessarily worrying about what “existence” might actually entail.
Heidegger...the Einstein of philosophy? And any point of departure that allows someone to reconcile their philosophy of life with National Socialism, with fascism, with Nazis, is going to be rejected by any number of us.Heidegger thinks this approach represents a major oversight—and he wants to correct it. His big move involves shifting the discipline’s focus. Rather than continue in this vein any longer—he believes it’s been tried ad nauseam without success—Heidegger proposes a new departure point for philosophy.
Here, however, I'm inclined to suggest that both theory and practice are crucial components of any assessment of phenomena. Yes, I often complain about those here whose assumptions revolve almost entirely around theoretical constructs. Instead, in regard to morality, my complaint pertains to those who never seem to come down out of the theoretical clouds in order to inform us how these largely abstract assumptions are relevant to the behaviors they choose.Heidegger approached the question using phenomenology, a method developed by his mentor Edmund Husserl. Phenomenology involves directly investigating and describing phenomena as they are experienced, without assumptions or theories.
Understanding Dasein is essential for comprehending Heidegger’s philosophy in Being and Time. Dasein, which can be translated as existence or being-there, refers to human beings in a unique sense. They can ask questions about their own presence—unlike any other creature. But Dasein isn’t only passive; it also engages actively with everything around them.
On the other hand, is there a philosophical assessment of this such that deontologists can pin down the optimal moral values? Moral values rooted in reason such that they are applicable to all rational human beings?Imagine if you were born and raised in a Chinese village in 500 BC, or in a 10th century Viking community or in a 19th century Yanomami village or in a 20th century city in the Soviet Union or in a 21st century American metropolis. How might your value judgments be different?
Being-in-what-world? And my point is often that, in regard to morality and politics, it is precisely when we do come down out of the philosophical clouds and attempt to intertwine theory and practice that failures to communicate begin to mount and mount and mount.There are several important features of this kind of being: Being-in-the-world, Care (Sorge), and Selfhood. Being-in-the-world suggests that Dasein is always somewhere, somehow involved with the things around it; they don’t experience life from an abstract perspective.
How about linking Heidegger's assessment of care to his assessment of...Nazis? Or, perhaps, to an assessment of a moral conflagration such as abortion.Care links them to both their own potentiality for being and what the world offers for such fulfillment at any given time.
On the other hand, how is this linked historically and culturally such that my own understanding of dasein is effectively challenged?Selfhood means making sense of who you are as an individual (realizing possibilities). Nobody else can do this for you. It’s an ongoing activity throughout someone’s life.
The idea of it is one thing, but a way to be sure that everyone's idea of it is correct one? In a world where complex social, political and economic variables are ever evolving and changing over the centuries.The idea of Being-in-the-World is important in Heidegger’s thought. Instead of seeing the mind and the world as separate things, he suggests that Dasein is deeply interconnected with its environment (Umwelt).
Now you're talking!This connection isn’t just a cognitive one; it’s practical and embodied, too.
On the other hand: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hammer_assaultsFor example, when a carpenter sees a hammer, he doesn’t think about hammers in the abstract. Rather, he understands how to use it for building because that’s what hammers do—revealing an interconnected web of relationships.
On the other hand, what does matter most here, the above or the fact that the above always unfolds for each of us individually out in particular worlds historically and culturally...worlds understood existentially and experientially given our own uniquely individual relationships.Heidegger claims that everydayness (Alltäglichkeit) holds key insights into Dasein. Our everyday activities and social encounters disclose something fundamental about our existence. In ordinary life, Dasein experiences the world up close and personal—it has direct contact with what matters most.
Then back to the part where some -- many? most? -- objectivists insist all of this is actually subsumed in their own [and only in their own] moral and political philosophy. It is already encompassed in The One [And The Only One] True Path To Enlightenment. And the only way that can ever be yours is if yours is theirs.So, these daily events should be considered at least as important for understanding as anything else. This shift in emphasis moves away from thinking primarily about abstractions like theory and instead focuses on humans’ lived realities: what we do every day matters; how we engage with others has meaning.
Yes, existentialism includes that each person makes up his own mind what she wants to be. And what she wants to be is not static but changes as her Dasein changes. What a person makes up her mind to be is not knowable until she has ceased to be a Dasein when she has ceased to live. Then her story can be told. Whoever tells her story is another Dasein -------iambiguous wrote: ↑Sat Oct 04, 2025 10:03 pm Heidegger’s “Being and Time” explores Dasein and temporality, revealing how human existence is deeply intertwined with time and authenticity.
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On the other hand, what does matter most here, the above or the fact that the above always unfolds for each of us individually out in particular worlds historically and culturally...worlds understood existentially and experientially given our own uniquely individual relationships.Heidegger claims that everydayness (Alltäglichkeit) holds key insights into Dasein. Our everyday activities and social encounters disclose something fundamental about our existence. In ordinary life, Dasein experiences the world up close and personal—it has direct contact with what matters most.
In fact, in my view, that largely explains why, over the years, philosophers have provided us with any number of theoretical assessments of human interactions...conjectures intertwining human relationships at the intersection of identity, value judgments, conflicting goods and political economy. But the only way many of them then back up their conclusions is by insisting others must define and defend the meaning that they themselves have given to the words in the argument.
Then back to the part where some -- many? most? -- objectivists insist all of this is actually subsumed in their own [and only in their own] moral and political philosophy. It is already encompassed in The One [And The Only One] True Path To Enlightenment. And the only way that can ever be yours is if yours is theirs.So, these daily events should be considered at least as important for understanding as anything else. This shift in emphasis moves away from thinking primarily about abstractions like theory and instead focuses on humans’ lived realities: what we do every day matters; how we engage with others has meaning.
Then the part where Heidegger himself connected the dots here between Being and Time and...Mein Kampf?
On the other hand, how, given a particular set of circumstances, do we pin down with any degree of sustained sophistication the manner in which a particular past begets a particular present begets a particular future? Dasein after all revolves around the Benjamin Button Syndrome which revolves around the assumption that there are always going to be any number of existential variables in the lives we live that are beyond our either wholly understanding or fully controlling.Heidegger breaks down time into three components: past (having-been), present (making-present), and future (coming-toward). By thinking about this trinity, it becomes clear that we consider what has happened before and how it influences us now, as well as what could happen later on, when considering ourselves and our world.
Yes, human behaviors are clearly influenced by what can be very, very different pasts and presents. But then my point here is to remind others that philosophers have failed to provide mere mortals in a No God world with anything in the way of a deontological moral philosophy. Instead, we have been confronted over and over and over again with any number of moral objectivists all insisting that only their very own One True Path actually is.If we examine our actions at any given moment, they are always influenced by what we have experienced previously and by anticipated possibilities down the line. In other words, time is interconnected!
Of course: living authentically.Genuine and insincere ways of experiencing time separate how people exist within it.
Again, just out of curiosity, is there anyone here who can reconcile this frame of mind with becoming a Nazi? Instead, in my view, this is more readily explained given my own assessment of dasein here: https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/a-man ... sein/31641When individuals are ensnared by diversions or social norms that cause them to lose touch with themselves—what Martin Heidegger called the “they”—they are in a state of insincerity about time. Their encounter with each moment lacks depth because they merely float along.
Theoretically? Philosophically? Analytically?The connection between human existence and time is important for understanding Martin Heidegger’s ideas, and it shows us something fascinating about ourselves. At the core of this connection is a concept called “ecstasis.”
In Heidegger’s view, ecstasis describes how humans stand outside themselves in time. Rather than thinking of past, present, and future as separate things, ecstasis suggests that they all work together to shape who we are.
Again, however, for those willing to explore this further, how is Heidegger's assessment of "being there" the same and different from my own assessment?To give an example: When you make an important decision in life, you think about what has happened to you before (the past) and what might happen next (the future). But then you have to decide firmly, reflecting exactly Heidegger’s notion that Dasein exists in time as a seamless flow.