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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2024 1:13 pmI had never heard of Pearl Davis and I find her presentations quite interesting. If by saying that Pearl Davis, though working in an area of challenging the range of choices women make and can make because of the support our culture gives to them, is not necessarily coming from a defined Radical Right or defined dissident and traditionalist position, I can agree (I only watched the video you submitted and a few others).

It seems she is working an angle of common sense in regard to such crucial issues as the lack of marriage solidity; the issues that arise when large percentages of women end up single and alone because their marriages fall apart (not to speak of the loss for men). From what I gathered she is questioning with a scathing focus the degree to which young women -- speaking generally -- are not thinking through the choices they are making when they are motivated by short-sighted advantages they can enjoy when young and sexually attractive.

I do not know if she is interested in examining these social problems, that are so consequential, with an attempt to trace the causes that have led to the present -- and I think fair to say *disastrous* situation -- for our culture, but it is obvious that she has found a large audience for her casually-delivered and somewhat extemporaneous monologues on these topics.

And I think that I could go along with you in saying that she is not working from a defined ideological position of many of the (quite intellectual and studied) exponents of Radical Right Dissidence (like Alain de Benoist, Jonathan Bowden, Greg Johnson and many others I could list). However, what she is doing, and what she is saying, is certainly part of a trend that has developed in the last decade (since I began paying attention). I think it is important to identify what that movement is and why it is developing and also where it will tend.
Here's another recent interview/debate with Pearl Davis just this week: (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGwSrOvmtSI)

Again, I see her as a 'symptom' of these greater sociological trends. In particular, Pearl is somewhat liberal-leftist herself, having black ex-boyfriends. So there is a bit of convolution and blurring of the Left/Right, Liberal/Conservative paradigms recently. I would strike them all as 'Centrist' and 'Moderate', which may expand, because of the extremist pulls to the Left or Right in Western Civilization. Thus, the waters are 'muddied' so-to-speak. There are many conflicting values at work, many different Causes, which may or may not be the primary and most influential causes.

Even the greatest trends, though, the Religious-Left, and the Liberal-Leftists on this forum, in this thread, no longer deny their occurrence.


Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2024 1:13 pmI had written:
Those who pay attention -- I wager that no one of those Terrible Opponents who write in these threads does -- to current events know that there is developing, and there has developed, a political and cultural position that is hard to categorize but let's call it Dissident Right for the sake of simplicity.
The view I have is that -- here I only comment on the denizens of this forum -- most of those who come out strongly in a mechanical and reflexive opposition to the ideas and perspectives you present (shotgun style), and also in opposition to much of what I think and write, do not and cannot see and identify the *crisis* that we are in. It is as though it does not show up on their radar of concerns. Flash and Sculptor for example can do nothing else but *bark* their opposition by screaming *Nazi!* (it really does resolve to this) but they do not seem to have a position of actual values that they are working with.

Gary has a somewhat more clear, and also common sense position but has no interest at all in examining the present conflicts and problems through a more holistic lens. So for example he does read Chomsky, and give assent to his views, but when challenged to examine the ideas of Renaud Camus (on the demographic changes being engineered on European nations and his own beloved France) Gary's mind snaps shut. And though Renaud Camus is so far on an opposite side of anything that could be called fascistic of Nazi-esque, nevertheless his discourse, even before it is heard and thought through, is associated with the same Ontological Malevolence that is referenced when the Nazi-emblem is blazoned. These are reflexive mental habits that have been instilled in us all through what can only be called PR-propaganda and cultural engineering.
They're reacting emotionally, as expected. This isn't my first rodeo, Alexis. I've been through many similar debates, elsewhere, to the type in this thread. But as you prove, the emotional defensiveness and strategy is very effective. The Religious-Left have been using 'Nazism' and 'Hitler', like the boy who cried wolf, for nearly a Century now. They cry wolf too often—the insult, slander, smear, and effectiveness all become reduced. They ignore some critical facts: the American Conservative-Right defeated Hitler and Nazism already. So their fear-mongering is irrational.

Thus it is demonstrated as a weak rhetorical tactic, that any average minded 'Rightist' ought to be able to riposte easily.

Once the reputation smears are ignored and surpasses...look at what Hairball is willing to admit to, when backed into a corner. The Religious-Left need to Lie in order to defend their sick, twisted societal, cultural, political positions. They know that they cannot defend the Evil that represents their "side". And this "side" now appears in seeds' response, back to the cultural revolution of the 60s and 70s, the Boomers lived and caused, thus the origin of these "Sexual Revolutions".

But now we all see the 'dirtier' side, and the rot manifests from that. I don't know what seeds' defense is, but we'll see shortly...

Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2024 1:13 pmTherefore, one important element here is a movement that begins a process of reverse-engineering. And the confrontation of what Tomislav Sunic calls Liberal Rot, and I call Hyper-Liberalism, by people who are really only just beginning to get their ideas clear.

This is an important factor. We are all *victims* of mass social engineering by powerful economic powers, concentrations of capital, and by elites with specific ideological positions, and very importantly by decades of Marxist agitators and activists, and it is when this is realized and brought out into the light for examination that one -- an average person -- can begin to examine the destructive consequences of the trends we are trying to identify.
We are all definitely 'Affected', often negatively, from these sociological, political, cultural forces...but I wouldn't necessarily use 'Vitims', as again, this is the forté of the Religious-Left, Victimology.

Perhaps this then is a primary Strength of the Conservative-Right...refusal to be or become 'Victims'. Conservative-Rightism ought to champion Agency and Anti-victim-ology.
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seeds wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2024 6:31 pm
Wizard22 wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2024 7:51 am Also, the Vietnam War was very contentious, because it represented what many Conservative Americans were conflicted with: Imperialism.

This created a split in the Conservative-Right-Republican Party, which resulted in the "Neo-Conservatives", who wanted, instigated, and explicitly funded foreign wars.

Are you a Neo-Con, seeds?
According to Wiki, a neoconservative in simple terms is...
  • Left-Liberal political movement in the United States advocating an aggressive, interventionist foreign policy. Neoconservatism (often shortened as neocon) is a form of American conservatism that emphasizes an aggressive American foreign policy.
Does the space cadet (me) in this video...

https://youtu.be/bVbpHy4nncA

...look and sound like a "Neo-Con" to you? :D
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It's hard to tell anymore...but given your Anti-War opinions, I presume you are against the Ukraine spending bills being passed this last year or two??

I'm old enough to remember when the Neo-cons backed the Republicans, instead of the Democrats.
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seeds wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2024 5:27 am_______
Seeds, if you're so Anti-War, which I presume that's still one of the most important political stances for you...then why would you in anyway be against the Trump Administration which brought relatively more 'peace' to the world than any politician before or after, especially Biden? Did you see the disastrous calamity, pullout of Afghanistan? Did you know that Putin invaded Ukraine, under Biden? Are you aware of the genocide occurring in Israel right now, also under Biden?

If you're pro-Peace, then why not vote Trump??? Seriously, I'm curious!
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Wizard22 wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 8:34 am
seeds wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2024 5:27 am_______
Seeds, if you're so Anti-War, which I presume that's still one of the most important political stances for you...then why would you in anyway be against the Trump Administration which brought relatively more 'peace' to the world than any politician before or after, especially Biden? Did you see the disastrous calamity, pullout of Afghanistan? Did you know that Putin invaded Ukraine, under Biden? Are you aware of the genocide occurring in Israel right now, also under Biden?

If you're pro-Peace, then why not vote Trump??? Seriously, I'm curious!
So like, the Russians should be allowed to annex any country they want to, without being opposed?
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Atla wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 8:46 amSo like, the Russians should be allowed to annex any country they want to, without being opposed?
I think anybody against war and Putin, ought to be lining up to vote for Trump, right???
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Wizard22 wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 8:47 am
Atla wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 8:46 amSo like, the Russians should be allowed to annex any country they want to, without being opposed?
I think anybody against war and Putin, ought to be lining up to vote for Trump, right???
Putin has been using Trump so he could get away with starting wars more, while pretending to do the opposite.
Therefore many Trump voters are self-destructive, reverse warmongers: they help the "enemy" with its wars.
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Atla wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 8:59 amPutin has been using Trump so he could get away with starting wars more, while pretending to do the opposite.
Therefore many Trump voters are self-destructive, reverse warmongers: they help the "enemy" with its wars.
If Trump is Putin's puppet...then why did he wait for the Biden Presidency before invading Ukraine?
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 2:20 am I will vote for Trump not because of some virtue in him, but more because he represents a movement which, I hope (but doubt) might confront the entrenched political establishment.
The thought of Trump getting elected again puts me in mind of that proverb that the moron Bush Jnr. once tried to say, but couldn't quite get right:

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me
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Wizard22 wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 9:09 am
Atla wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 8:59 amPutin has been using Trump so he could get away with starting wars more, while pretending to do the opposite.
Therefore many Trump voters are self-destructive, reverse warmongers: they help the "enemy" with its wars.
If Trump is Putin's puppet...then why did he wait for the Biden Presidency before invading Ukraine?
Wouldn't call him a puppet, just a useful idiot (useful clinical narcissist). Don't know why the second, big invasion came in 2022, if I had to guess, I'd say it's because Putin saw in early 2021 that Trump wasn't re-elected, so Putin won't be able to erode NATO from the inside further via Trump, at least for the next four years, instead NATO would probably stabilize. That may have sort of forced Putin's hand, and he decided to start the invasion. They prepared for a year and then launched the invasion.
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I don't know how everybody thinks the world is a safer place under Biden. Putin's tanks will roll across Ukraine until Trump, the strongest Western leader, returns to office.

Are you pro-war? Are you pro-Putin? It seems to me, a vote for Trump is a vote to stop Putin in his tank tracks?
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I don't understand this level of ignorance about Russia..
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Atla wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 10:03 am I don't understand this level of ignorance about Russia..
It's obvious that Putin doesn't respect Biden. Westerners should elect a strong leader that Putin will not invade or make further war against.

The answer is clear: Trump.
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Wizard22 wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 10:24 am
Atla wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 10:03 am I don't understand this level of ignorance about Russia..
It's obvious that Putin doesn't respect Biden. Westerners should elect a strong leader that Putin will not invade or make further war against.

The answer is clear: Trump.
Putin doesn't respect Biden much, Biden is too old and senile and not particularly concerned with Russia, but Biden will uphold the US's commitment to NATO and to counteracting Russia's expansionist plans.

On the other hand, the only reason Putin is wary of Trump is that Trump is insane enough to one day try to nuke Russia because he feels like it. That's the extent of Putin's "respect" towards Trump.
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Atla wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 10:53 amPutin doesn't respect Biden much, Biden is too old and senile and not particularly concerned with Russia, but Biden will uphold the US's commitment to NATO and to counteracting Russia's expansionist plans.

On the other hand, the only reason Putin is wary of Trump is that Trump is insane enough to one day try to nuke Russia because he feels like it. That's the extent of Putin's "respect" towards Trump.
Putin's tanks are rolling across Ukraine, right now, under Biden's office...

The West cannot wait any longer. If you want to stop Putin, then the choice is clear.
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Wizard22 wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 11:28 am
Atla wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 10:53 amPutin doesn't respect Biden much, Biden is too old and senile and not particularly concerned with Russia, but Biden will uphold the US's commitment to NATO and to counteracting Russia's expansionist plans.

On the other hand, the only reason Putin is wary of Trump is that Trump is insane enough to one day try to nuke Russia because he feels like it. That's the extent of Putin's "respect" towards Trump.
Putin's tanks are rolling across Ukraine, right now, under Biden's office...

The West cannot wait any longer. If you want to stop Putin, then the choice is clear.
Did Trump and the Russian government-employed internet trolls tell you that?
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