First, that my kid grows to be a free man (moral, self-directing, self-reliant, self-responsible)What is your aim?
A reasonable faith would require a person to appreciate Meister Eckhart's observation. As we are, we argue about what to do. Who bothers with what we are? That is why nothing changes.Belinda wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 5:13 pmIf I were to die one moment from now, my experiences would cease to be my experiences at the moment of death . There is no immortal soul that is like a personality that survives death. Every thing turns into dust.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 5:04 pmYou haven't made your account yet. Nor have I. You won't make it until you see God.
But this much is true: the judgment we face will involve every minute and big choice we've ever made. So that much is right.
Your belief that God dips into time to judge people at some time and presumably some place, does no harm. My interest is to make sense of God, the Absolute, and the eternal now. The world badly needs a reasonable faith.
“People should not worry so much about what they do but rather about what they are. If they and their ways are good, then their deeds are radiant. If you are righteous, then what you do will also be righteous. We should not think that holiness is based on what we do but rather on what we are, for it is not our works which sanctify us but we who sanctified our works.”
The finality of death is a fact of life that justifies the belief that existence precedes essence.Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 5:46 pmA reasonable faith would require a person to appreciate Meister Eckhart's observation. As we are, we argue about what to do. Who bothers with what we are? That is why nothing changes.Belinda wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 5:13 pmIf I were to die one moment from now, my experiences would cease to be my experiences at the moment of death . There is no immortal soul that is like a personality that survives death. Every thing turns into dust.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 5:04 pm
You haven't made your account yet. Nor have I. You won't make it until you see God.
But this much is true: the judgment we face will involve every minute and big choice we've ever made. So that much is right.
Your belief that God dips into time to judge people at some time and presumably some place, does no harm. My interest is to make sense of God, the Absolute, and the eternal now. The world badly needs a reasonable faith.
“People should not worry so much about what they do but rather about what they are. If they and their ways are good, then their deeds are radiant. If you are righteous, then what you do will also be righteous. We should not think that holiness is based on what we do but rather on what we are, for it is not our works which sanctify us but we who sanctified our works.”
Ah, but what he doesn't say is how one is supposed to become a different kind of person than one already is.Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 5:46 pm A reasonable faith would require a person to appreciate Meister Eckhart's observation. As we are, we argue about what to do. Who bothers with what we are? That is why nothing changes.
“People should not worry so much about what they do but rather about what they are. If they and their ways are good, then their deeds are radiant. If you are righteous, then what you do will also be righteous. We should not think that holiness is based on what we do but rather on what we are, for it is not our works which sanctify us but we who sanctified our works.”
Yes, it's also called 'the eternal now'.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 5:42 pmWe'll see.
Biblically, it's also an unending 'interval' of actual time.
No, actually, it's not. You will not find that idea in the Bible at all.
But I have heard preachers talk of "eternal God". If that means anything it must mean God is not temporal.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 5:55 pmNo, actually, it's not. You will not find that idea in the Bible at all.Belinda wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 5:54 pmYes, it's also called 'the eternal now'.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 5:42 pm
We'll see.
Biblically, it's also an unending 'interval' of actual time.
I pointed it out in bold in plenty of recent posts - don't try to play me for a fool. If you genuinely failed to register the emphasised text then it's you who is the fool. Go back and have another read.
Ah, dear hq, you won with this tactic the first time. You, alone, secreted from AJ a list of that which is valuable in Christianity. But he's onto you now. You need a new tactic...henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 10:31 pmAJ, if you could tell me what my perspective is, and why I'm lost in it, and why my opinions, drawn from that perspective, are irrelevant and unimportant, you would have, lickety-split, and you'd have relished doin' so.That has nothing to do with whether I can, or can't, express my opinions.
You haven't preferring instead to play the distraction game (an old, obvious, strategy).
We both know what that means.
Prove me wrong: tell me, what's my perspective, AJ?
There is a difference between "not confined by time" versus "not capable of being within time." They're not the same idea at all.Belinda wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 6:01 pmBut I have heard preachers talk of "eternal God". If that means anything it must mean God is not temporal.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 5:55 pmNo, actually, it's not. You will not find that idea in the Bible at all.
What you've said is that you don't like the your depiction of a quasi-Catholic Hell, because it seems unfair to the standards you hold.
No, you manipulative spinner, that's not what I've said. Go back and reread.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 6:08 pm What you've said is that you don't like the your depiction of a quasi-Catholic Hell, because it seems unfair to the standards you hold.