A Philosophy of Mind

Is the mind the same as the body? What is consciousness? Can machines have it?

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My aim is absolute truth and since this endeavor I am presenting here is most important I shall try not to grapple with mere opinion.

I believe knowledge is attained before birth or at the instant of birth. I am speaking of knowledge but of purpose, beauty, goodness, justice, holiness; they are all that is stamped of essence.

To know has a very great compelling awareness in bringing about change; it is the release of shadows to the light, from the underground den to the sun knowledge has the power of elevating the highest principle in the mind to contemplate.
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Barbara Brooks wrote:
I believe knowledge is attained before birth or at the instant of birth. I am speaking of knowledge but of purpose, beauty, goodness, justice, holiness; they are all that is stamped of essence.
I suggest you give up philosophy and first learn syntax and grammar !
However, how do you believe ? by what deductive process?
I have already stated that inheritence is a factor of these things .

Why do you not just say that we inherit certain qualities from our parents
by genetics and cut out all the mystic bullshit.
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. Knowledge is not found anywhere in the field of subjective views, it is not a matter of clever turns of allusiveness phrases, or half utterances but knowledge consists in open, unambiguous, meaningful, and purposeful expression. The idea alone grasps truth.
Even now disregarded and injured as science is today and although none of the teachers can tell the use of knowledge still forces it’s way by natural appeal and the light of reason.

This kind of examination enables students to endure the highest of all knowledge, which is good. This takes a long and circuitous study, but nothing short of the most finished picture here.

If knowledge were mere representation of opinions then it would be a very tiresome study. Thus, in studying science a willingness to give profound thought that exalts infinitude of ideas and truth not superficial rhetoric is needed. To become anything is through struggle and objectivity. There can be nothing so remote that you cannot reach to it, or so difficult that you cannot discover. Begin with, the most simple and those most easy to apprehend.

Seek the truth, that is to say reason must became accustomed to the nourishment of truth and would not content itself with false reasoning

All one can do in this world is be good and that is the highest of all gifts of humanity. Grasp the whole truth in the right way, you will then have no difficulty in apprehending the preceding remarks, and they will appear strange to you. The mind can ever assure us of anything, if knowledge does not intervene. Our mind does not change with changes; on the contrary, change takes place only outside of the mind.
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Barbara Brooks wrote:. Knowledge is not found anywhere in the field of subjective views, it is not a matter of clever turns of allusiveness phrases, or half utterances but knowledge consists in open, unambiguous, meaningful, and purposeful expression. .
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Then why do you talk in allusive phrases, and half utterances and ambiguous and meaningless expressions.
I mean just listen to you. You criticise what you are ; a hot air balloon.
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Socrates believed bullies are really slaves, because they have desires which are totally unattainable and their wants grows worse and they become more jealous, more faithless, unjust, friendless, and impious then ever. In the end, they are miserable and make everybody around them miserable.

Then bully runs away from the region of law and reason, and is enslaved.

But if in the company of reason and knowledge and under their guidance which wisdom shows, is truth in the highest degree, which is attainable inasmuch as we follow truth; these are pleasures, which are natural to self, if that which is best for self is also most natural.


The bully is not intentionally in error it’s what they think of esteemed noble and ignoble that is wrong. Pride and bad temper grows in them gains strength disproportionately. The blame is opulence, cowardly-ness, and weakness this makes them spineless. Their weakness is they are unable to control these traits they are like a gadfly who judges and flatters.

Injustice or intemperance bullying profit but it only makes them worse even though they make money or have power by their badness. If bully undetected only gets worse, so do not be dazzled by their infinite harmfulness.
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Bullying is the extreme opposite of philosophy, one is best and the other worst. The bully is the most miserable person, look into them penetrate their inner self, and do not get panic or struck by their ineffective showiness of oppression. Bullies are masters of others when they cannot master themselves; their better part is enslaved to the worse they are full of misery and sorrow. Only when wanting some thing then they are most extreme humble flatterers.

The maintainer of philosophy on the other hand tries to strengthen, nourish the gentle principle within self, and make an alliance with the heart’s desires. Thus in every point of view, whether in relation to pleasure, honour, or advantage the just person is right and the unjust person is wrong.

Philosophy means the love of knowledge is wholly directed toward truth and cares less for gain or fame, is lodged in the mind as a pilot and contains everything, which gives in all things certainty by means of exercising reason. Philosophy is the element of freethinking and the ultimate absolute truth.

We must approach this subject in the right way framed in the most perfect manner. Therefore profound thought is needed, one that exalts infinite ideas and truth, not superficial tiresome opinion.

Philosophy is part of the element of freethinking, because pure knowing is the ultimate absolute truth of consciousness.
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Duncan Butlin wrote:Good Morning, Amateur Philosopher,

Thank you for your kind words, and your support -- I will always be most grateful. But here I would like to question you one or two things, if you wouldn’t mind? I don’t think it is a good idea for you to churn back over all that Straw Dog stuff, you see; I think it would be far better left well alone. It is just the worst side of everybody’s nature coming out, and that is best concealed whenever possible. Pretend it was never exposed in public in the first place!

While we are talking, I hope you don’t mind me poking my nose, but I have noticed your posts on many other topics, and have read some of them. I am worried that you are repeating yourself, and thus risk diluting your message. Have you thought carefully about what you are trying to achieve?

Your comments to Straw Dog on Monday particularly caught my eye. First of all, do you really want to be talking to him at all? Since you have condemned his topic to outer darkness, I think you should do the same to him. Ok, he occasionally has real insights, but he is so out-of-control, and his language so vulgar, that it is not worth snorting around in the dirt to discover the rare truffles. When he does this for us himself, of his own accord, so all we see are the truffles; then he will be worth listening to.

Secondly, in your haste to defend those with mental illness, you over-state your case. I agree that no-one should be ruled out-of-court a priori, and that everyone who speaks up should have the floor for a while. But they have to be judged on what they say -- particularly if they hog the floor -- and if they don’t make sense, or are unable to control themselves to the satisfaction of the audience, then I think it reasonable to consider banning them. There are many other places for such people nowadays, if they really need support and assistance.

Anyway, with not a sign of mental illness, some people are still able to talk forever, without actually saying anything at all! They are simply being wayward, and we certainly have to prevent such people taking over. Barbara Brooks has not satisfied me with her replies. If she makes no further response for a week or two, I for one would like to take part in a grilling, to see if she can straighten up when put to the test. I suspect she needs to come down from her pedestal more frequently, and talk with the common herd, man-to-man.

Thirdly, you repeat your announcement of a special project you have in mind. How about telling us some more about it?, and seeing if anyone wants to help with it? I would really like to know what is on your mind. It seems to me that it might be a good idea to start a new topic for it, under an appropriate heading? Would you please alert me if you do?

What I would suggest is holding back a bit on these other issues, until you have something of real significance to contribute. Thanks for your time and patience!
Duncan
You are making important points.
I will need to slow down or devote myself to one or two threads, instead of spread the love [too thinly and ineffectively]
My heart is warmed by your response to this special project. There is much by way of awkward difficult philosophical questions that need answering/help/assistance as this Research draft thingy is as far away from any UG/PG project as one is likely to get and as a result one is put on an edge where one's intellect (whatever one has to hand that is) needs to be put to its very best use by way of a reply eventaully.
cheers and double thanks Duncan :)
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to Duncan
re straw dog. beneath the hellish chaos of Straw Dog Blog now locked I am discovering an incredibly sharp gifted young man. My other question will be how to attack his assumptions with a few of the truths I have unearthed online and stretch that mind just a little bit further than it might have done. My evidence once I can work out how to put pdfs on here is a sharp rebuke to the narrow bigotted prejudicial rubbish encountered on SD Blog which requires countering.
( I also increasingly feel narrowed by my confined space and need to be more like others with a wider general field of vision, without relinquishing my insights, theorising etc, the whole philsophy project in situ where I am)
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I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD BE MORE TOLERANT OF EACHOTHER AS IF THEY WERE NAUGHTY BUT TERRIBLY GIFTED SCHOOL CHILDREN, MAYBE WE COULD ALL LEARN FROM ONE ANOTHER.
I PREFER TO SEE GOODNESS IN THE DIFFICULTIES THAN CONDEMM PEOPLE OUT OF HAND AND I LIKE PEOPLE TO DO THE SAME FOR ME AS A COMPLETE BEGINNER TO PHILOSPHY PROPER.
Duncan GIVE BB a break! We all struggle with academic self expression.All sorts of things could lurk in BB but give her a chance.
If however there were genuine cases of non philosophers on board who would need to be shoved into a different position then that may be something to be faced.
It takes TIME to a) read the books b) learn how to express yourself in writing about them once that is you have some basic grasp of their concepts.
Uni is always a metaphor that springs to mind, unless you have a real no hoper (please don't rush to condemn!) give people a chance to shine by at least showing acceptance etc.
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amateurphilosophynerd wrote:to Duncan
re straw dog. beneath the hellish chaos of Straw Dog Blog now locked I am discovering an incredibly sharp gifted young man. My other question will be how to attack his assumptions with a few of the truths I have unearthed online
Bring it on pal. Psychonaut tried and got the shaft , Arising_UK tried and got the royal shaft and many other hopefulls tried and got the shaft.

It is a bit like a roughneck kid taking on the wise ,hardened fairground boxer. The kid lashes out but, the boxer takes it all in his stride and then ,whamo ! down and out.
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Good evening, Ms. Brooks,

It is true that Straw Dog has frightened you with his rough and vulgar words, and for this he owes you an apology. But I am afraid you are bullying him back in your own way: you are bombarding him with words and concepts in an overwhelming avalanche, with no real effort to communicate. You are being as disrespectful of him as he is of you, albeit in a less obvious way. All you really need to say is that you are hurt by his unpleasantness, and wish that he would cease forthwith.

But if he talks seriously to you (as when he accuses you of talking in allusive phrases and half utterances, using ambiguous and meaningless expressions), then I really feel you owe him a serious reply -- after he has apologised to you for his bad manners, that is.

Though you will find it hard to imagine, you also disrespect Psychonaut, when you pretend he isn’t trying to insult you. Take it on the chin! Register a complaint, and withhold forgiveness until he asks for it. Until you register real hurt, he will keep on slugging away at you. Anyway, it is impossible to forgive someone who does not want to be forgiven -- it has to be a reciprocal act.
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Barbara Brooks wrote:Bullying is the extreme opposite of philosophy, one is best and the other worst.
This accusation of “bullying” is typical of someone with a narrow compass of thought.
Bullying is indiscriminate harassment ; my remarks are based on your replies and if you don’t like the rigour of my antipathetic posturing then screw you .

You are corrupting the youth will your bullshit – You should go and drink hemlock and rid us of your stain on the mind of the young.
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Many people are persuaded there is difficulty in this knowledge therefore they never raise above their minds, they are so accustomed to consider excepting mere imagines that do not give us assurance of truth.

In the world of knowledge is the idea of good and makes its appearance in a time when the spirit of the people have labored their way out of lethargy and numbness into conscious world-spirit that stands in contrast to apathy.

Idea of good is the highest knowledge and all other things become useful and advantageous only by good. If every one pursues knowledge and makes it the end of all their action

Knowledge rests upon a higher good, all things become useful, and advantageous is the inner principle role that carries out good.


Apprehensiveness skepticism brings about despair, doubt, and mere opinion and then follows straight away criticism. Knowledge as not a test but transcends what is limited, negative and transcends self-consciousness.
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Barbara Brooks wrote:Many people are persuaded there is difficulty in this knowledge therefore they never raise above their minds, they are so accustomed to consider excepting mere imagines that do not give us assurance of truth.

In the world of knowledge is the idea of good and makes its appearance in a time when the spirit of the people have labored their way out of lethargy and numbness into conscious world-spirit that stands in contrast to apathy.

Idea of good is the highest knowledge and all other things become useful and advantageous only by good. If every one pursues knowledge and makes it the end of all their action

Knowledge rests upon a higher good, all things become useful, and advantageous is the inner principle role that carries out good.


Apprehensiveness skepticism brings about despair, doubt, and mere opinion and then follows straight away criticism. Knowledge as not a test but transcends what is limited, negative and transcends self-consciousness.
You will be spouting this subconscious floral drivel until you die.
Most old biddys are found dead slumped in a soft chair ; you will be found slumped over the computer after 250,000,000 page views ; maggots falling out of your ears.

That will be the sum of your life. The delusion that this is important philosophy is yours and possibly Mark Black's and a few other dumb kids.
Maybe 4 people in the world and a few drifters curious about what you are saying.

That is what you spend your life doing and it should be a warning to all those people who spend their lives in a self perpetuating delusion.
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