occupying wall street - will it do any good

[Arising_uk]

You seem to know a lot about what I think? But you'd be wrong.

What I do think is that your money-makers have now indebted the many who do the labour and expect them and their kids to pay it back whilst they get away scot-free?

[Pluto]

http://wlcentral.org/node/2297

This is just brilliant and funny. Zizek was denied a microphone by the authorities

[Bill Wiltrack]

.







..................................




“We’re not dreamers. We’re awaking from a dream turning into a nightmare. We’re not destroying anything. We’re watching the system destroy itself.”
~~~ SLAVOJ ZIZEK ~~~




I love that.









.

[chaz wyman]

You, like so many of the hoi polloi, think that only people who do back-breaking work contribute to production, that people who make a lot of money don't really do anything productive at all, that they just steal money from the people actually doing the work. You need to study economics, but I doubt that will cure your profound ignorance of the subject.

Workers make the money; workers make wealth; their toil turns raw materials into useful items.
People who control the capital are parasitic on this truth.

[chaz wyman]

.







..................................




“We’re not dreamers. We’re awaking from a dream turning into a nightmare. We’re not destroying anything. We’re watching the system destroy itself.”
~~~ SLAVOJ ZIZEK ~~~




I love that.




.

Zizek is the voice of common sense and truth.

[Bill Wiltrack]

.




DEAD. NUTS. ON!



You ROCK CHAZ!






.

[Arising_uk]

Zizek is the voice of common sense and truth.

Hmm... the claim that Capitalism has the seeds of its own destruction is Marx's and its been claimed to be here many times but it still keeps strolling on. I think maybe we should be more woried about the rise of fascism in Europe again if a depression returns.

[bobevenson]

None of you people know a damn thing about economics. To give you a single example of your ridiculous point of view, Steve Jobs started from absolutely nothing, single-handedly built Apple into the largest company in the world, created great products and millions of jobs, and became a multi-billionaire in the process. But you idiots seem to think he got his tremendous wealth by stealing from others. What a bunch of dopes you are.

[Bill Wiltrack]

.


Bobeverson, I have checked this entire thread. Could you point out to me where we had a conversation about Steve Jobs took place? I vaguely remember it but I can't find it.

Has anyone, other than you mentioned Steve Jobs in this thread?








Take a few breaths. Calm down. Watch this video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijsOyPtvjeg



This is the message that is beginning to emerge in the Occupy Wall Street campaigns.


I am quite amazed at this movement.










................................................











.

[Kayla]

michael Moore - aka Rush Limbaugh of the left - supports it

This reduces my level of support for it

[Arising_uk]

None of you people know a damn thing about economics. To give you a single example of your ridiculous point of view, Steve Jobs started from absolutely nothing, single-handedly built Apple into the largest company in the world, created great products and millions of jobs, and became a multi-billionaire in the process. But you idiots seem to think he got his tremendous wealth by stealing from others. What a bunch of dopes you are.

Once again you are deluded in your assumptions about what some of us think. Your filters are only allowing you to hear what you believe about some of us. Do you equate industrialists with capitalists?

Since you know so much about Jobs and Apple tell me where the research for the Apple that sold in numbers came from in the first place.

But on the whole your example shows pretty much nothing with respect to the subject of economics nor any of the discussions here, or are you claiming all can do this? We can all be billionaires under capitalism?

I'll give you that a venture capitalist helped him with the money for a quarter of a million to advertise his product. Do you think the banks would lend that at present?

You also forget that without the workers who grow and build stuff no-one would be idling their time away on their iplods. As they do not actually produce anything.

Apple employ about 40,000 people, not millions. You should also ask yourself where Apple manufacture its goods, I'll give you a guess, its not the US.

On the whole the Apple range is a triumph of style over function and is in general overpriced for what it does.

[John]

Steve Jobs started from absolutely nothing, single-handedly built Apple into the largest company in the world

Who's Steve Wozniak then? There was another one as well but I won't push you too hard.

Seriously, if you've going to call everyone else dopes shouldn't you take more care with your own statements?

[bobevenson]

I call all of you people dopes because you can't see that free-market capitalism leads to a better life for everyone, but I also realize that you think this way because oppressive European socialism is all you have ever known and grown up with. For instance, when the singing group ABBA was at its height of popularity, it did more dollar volume than any company in Sweden, which is certainly a pathetic economic situation for any country to find itself in, but entirely understandable considering its socialistic foundation.

[Kayla]

bob, you do know that the USA has the highest infant mortality in the first world - higher than those awful socialist Swedes? And we spend twice as much on health care as those socialist canadians?

[bobevenson]

There is not a free American market in medicine. There is not a free market in starting medical schools and new hospitals in the U.S. The licensing of doctors is government oppression that creates shortages of medical care. Taxpayers should not be forced to pay for the medical care of others. That's one of the problems of socialism. Another thing, Europe seems to spend most of its time on vacations, something that the government seems to enforce. Everybody there wants a handout instead of working. What a decadent society.