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Izzywizzy wrote:

I'm talking about the sort of countries that really take Christianity seriously, unlike the unchristian west

another bald assertion with no back up or links or sources my why do i sigh every time you exaggerate..the west is proven to be christian read up on the stats

Um Arab and Israelie and Atheist Hindu countries stone and bomb and terrorise innocent civilians every day people they are not christians so what is your point? this thread is about the church of the west lets stick to the points or start your own thread.

The thing is, here we of the secular, are trying to create a more tolerant and just society while the church continues it's self centered tribalistic ways and is hindering the process without ever justifying it's discrimination .

spike wrote:

The thing is, here we of the secular, are trying to create a more tolerant and just society while the church continues it's self centered tribalistic ways and is hindering the process without ever justifying it's discrimination .

Nothing is easy. Nor should it be. Anything that is worthy or deserves justice in this world has to struggle to achieve legitimacy and recognition. The Church puts obstacles in the way because that is its job. However, the struggle gives one resolve and commitment to the task. And look what the world has learnt in witnessing and partaking in the struggle; more ways of becoming tolerant and open, bypassing the Church and religion.

How stupid and immoral then for the church then as it is cullpable in the murder of Gays by the homophobic that it creates.

spike wrote:

How stupid and immoral then for the church then as it is cullpable in the murder of Gays by the homophobic that it creates.

That homophobia is not just in the Church, and fed by the Church. It is also in individuals who think for themselves and are repulsed by the idea.

So these should keep their focus on their own junc and let others find love where they will.

To fixate on someone else's sexuality instead of one's own is rather a strange and unhealthy way to go through life.

Have you thought of my junk today sweetheart?
How about your neighbors junk.

spike wrote:

So these should keep their focus on their own junc and let others find love where they will.

To fixate on someone else's sexuality instead of one's own is rather a strange and unhealthy way to go through life.

Have you thought of my junk today sweetheart?
How about your neighbors junk.

As they say, one person's junk is another's treasure.

Human sexuality and the fixation on it has been one of humanity's driving forces and engines of its development. It is sad, though, that such a disproportionate weight has been put on the backs of homosexuals in this endeavor. But I have no doubt that someday a Hall Of Fame will be erected in their honor, perhaps near of big cathedral or mosque.

They want to control everything from sex to diet to what we wear. They and Islam all want slaves and not free men.

spike wrote:

They want to control everything from sex to diet to what we wear. They and Islam all want slaves and not free men.

Perhaps, but the Churches are certainly not winning or having things their way! Just look at history and how things have swung Oscar Wilde's and Hugh Hefner's way.

Izzywizzy wrote:

I'm talking about the sort of countries that really take Christianity seriously, unlike the unchristian west

another bald assertion with no back up or links or sources my why do i sigh every time you exaggerate..the west is proven to be christian read up on the stats

I willing to see the "stats" of your idiotic assertions - care to play?


Um Arab and Israelie and Atheist Hindu countries stone and bomb and terrorise innocent civilians every day people they are not christians so what is your point?

So that makes it okay for Christians to do it too I suppose??


this thread is about the church of the west lets stick to the points or start your own thread.

No - it is about the "CHURCH" not the church in the West.

PhilosophicalCaveman wrote:Wouldn't it be simpler to not force any religious group to marry off people of the same-sex and just let those persons get married freely by other means...That is legally, but lacking the religious ceremonial aspect.

chaz wyman wrote:

PhilosophicalCaveman wrote:Wouldn't it be simpler to not force any religious group to marry off people of the same-sex and just let those persons get married freely by other means...That is legally, but lacking the religious ceremonial aspect.

That would necessitate the religious people shutting up.

The other problem is that many same sex couples are religious.

Notably, Gays, women, slaves and sexual practices.

PhilosophicalCaveman wrote:

chaz wyman wrote:

PhilosophicalCaveman wrote:Wouldn't it be simpler to not force any religious group to marry off people of the same-sex and just let those persons get married freely by other means...That is legally, but lacking the religious ceremonial aspect.

That would necessitate the religious people shutting up.

The other problem is that many same sex couples are religious.

True, but even if they talk, let them, all that matters will be the legal aspect, that it will be open for those who wish to go along with that lifestyle. Also if a same-sex couple is religious or follow a certain religion then they'll have to adhere to it or take the option of leaving. I say this and it might seem harsh but Religious groups are in their rights to deny certain things that goes against their religion. Putting a separation between 'Church' and legal things or Government matters, will ensure that both sides can go about their business.