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Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 9:27 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 9:02 pm

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 8:48 pm

He doesn't show it, he just says it, and whatever the case, it doesn't explain why Pakistanis are so grossly over represented. All things being equal, there should be about twelve to fifteen *times* as many white gangs as Pakistani ones, but in fact, white gangs are very rare, in comparison.

Who told you that Pakistanis are so over represented and how did you check that info?

What I am telling you is that you are a propagandist with an interest in telling everyone that Pakistani gangs are a unique threat. You pursue that end by not noticing all the times other groups do the same stuff. You apply circular reasoning about there not being twelve to fifteen times as many non Pakistani gangs and you make up a nonsensical claim that white gangs are rare in comparison.

Underage kids are lured into this sort of thing all over the country. It happens wherever there is a supply of vulnerable teens. There is always a supply of dirty old men willing to pay for their services, and there are always plenty middlemen who are happy to do the luring. The notion that one particular religion provides all the old dirty bastards and all the pimps is just insane, the idea that all these girls are white defies all reason. You cling to these fictions because you are a racist and you want to blame the problem on race.

Even Starmer has admitted such a thing, and it's so well known, now, that I suspect you're just lying.

Stopping people from speaking out for fear of being called racist, as you are doing, is exactly why this has gone on for so long, and hundreds of thousands of girls have been raped. But the problem is, for people like you, that in doing so, you have made people not care about being called racist any more.

Belinda wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 9:30 pm

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 8:48 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 8:38 pm

Maia, Flash shows that Pakistani gangs are part of a larger,older problem with prostitution and policing which has been established in British culture well before any Pakistani men arrived on our shores.

The problem that disturbs you is unchanged but is set within a wider context.

He doesn't show it, he just says it, and whatever the case, it doesn't explain why Pakistanis are so grossly over represented. All things being equal, there should be about twelve to fifteen *times* as many white gangs as Pakistani ones, but in fact, white gangs are very rare, in comparison.

The fact is that Pakistanis as sexual predators was over-represented by certain media. You must know that popular media often are owned by people who sell stories to make a profit for themselves.

Grooming Gangs and Ethnicity: What the Evidence Shows (England & Wales)

National reviews by the Home Office (2020) and the National Audit on Group-Based Child Sexual Exploitation and Abuse (2024) both find that there is no reliable evidence that grooming gangs are mainly made up of men of Pakistani heritage.

Key findings (2024 National Audit):

Out of 6,670 suspects, ethnicity was recorded for only about one-third.

Among those with known ethnicity:

83 % were White

7 % were Asian (including Pakistani, Indian, Bangladeshi, etc.)

Two-thirds of suspects had no recorded ethnicity, meaning national conclusions must be cautious.

Local investigations in towns such as Rotherham, Rochdale, and Telford did find clusters of Pakistani-heritage offenders.
However, taken nationally, most known suspects in group-based child sexual exploitation — and the overwhelming majority of sexual offenders of any kind — are White British men, roughly reflecting the wider population.

The Home Office review concludes that group-based CSE cannot be associated with any single ethnic background.
The main factors are opportunity, misogyny, social vulnerability, and institutional failings, not ethnicity.

ChatGPT research.

Please look at "The main factors are opportunity, misogyny, social vulnerability, and institutional failings, not ethnicity." which is what Flash and I have been saying

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 9:37 pm

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 9:27 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 9:02 pm
Who told you that Pakistanis are so over represented and how did you check that info?

What I am telling you is that you are a propagandist with an interest in telling everyone that Pakistani gangs are a unique threat. You pursue that end by not noticing all the times other groups do the same stuff. You apply circular reasoning about there not being twelve to fifteen times as many non Pakistani gangs and you make up a nonsensical claim that white gangs are rare in comparison.

Underage kids are lured into this sort of thing all over the country. It happens wherever there is a supply of vulnerable teens. There is always a supply of dirty old men willing to pay for their services, and there are always plenty middlemen who are happy to do the luring. The notion that one particular religion provides all the old dirty bastards and all the pimps is just insane, the idea that all these girls are white defies all reason. You cling to these fictions because you are a racist and you want to blame the problem on race.

Even Starmer has admitted such a thing, and it's so well known, now, that I suspect you're just lying.

Stopping people from speaking out for fear of being called racist, as you are doing, is exactly why this has gone on for so long, and hundreds of thousands of girls have been raped. But the problem is, for people like you, that in doing so, you have made people not care about being called racist any more.

Please provide me with the quote from Starmer.

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 9:43 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 9:37 pm

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 9:27 pm

Even Starmer has admitted such a thing, and it's so well known, now, that I suspect you're just lying.

Stopping people from speaking out for fear of being called racist, as you are doing, is exactly why this has gone on for so long, and hundreds of thousands of girls have been raped. But the problem is, for people like you, that in doing so, you have made people not care about being called racist any more.

Please provide me with the quote from Starmer.

It was in a letter to Jess Phillips, I believe. I'll try and find a link, but in the meantime maybe you can find a link to a source saying that the vast majority of rape gangs are white, as you asserted.

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 9:51 pm Found it. Now it's your turn to back up your assertions.

https://www.gbnews.com/news/grooming-ga ... -asian-men

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 9:38 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 9:30 pm

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 8:48 pm

He doesn't show it, he just says it, and whatever the case, it doesn't explain why Pakistanis are so grossly over represented. All things being equal, there should be about twelve to fifteen *times* as many white gangs as Pakistani ones, but in fact, white gangs are very rare, in comparison.

The fact is that Pakistanis as sexual predators was over-represented by certain media. You must know that popular media often are owned by people who sell stories to make a profit for themselves.

Grooming Gangs and Ethnicity: What the Evidence Shows (England & Wales)

National reviews by the Home Office (2020) and the National Audit on Group-Based Child Sexual Exploitation and Abuse (2024) both find that there is no reliable evidence that grooming gangs are mainly made up of men of Pakistani heritage.

Key findings (2024 National Audit):

Out of 6,670 suspects, ethnicity was recorded for only about one-third.

Among those with known ethnicity:

83 % were White

7 % were Asian (including Pakistani, Indian, Bangladeshi, etc.)

Two-thirds of suspects had no recorded ethnicity, meaning national conclusions must be cautious.

Local investigations in towns such as Rotherham, Rochdale, and Telford did find clusters of Pakistani-heritage offenders.
However, taken nationally, most known suspects in group-based child sexual exploitation — and the overwhelming majority of sexual offenders of any kind — are White British men, roughly reflecting the wider population.

The Home Office review concludes that group-based CSE cannot be associated with any single ethnic background.
The main factors are opportunity, misogyny, social vulnerability, and institutional failings, not ethnicity.

ChatGPT research.

Please look at "The main factors are opportunity, misogyny, social vulnerability, and institutional failings, not ethnicity." which is what Flash and I have been saying

Even while bending over backwards to obscure the results, by deliberately not recoding ethnicity, and lumping the figures in with all forms of abuse, they still can't help noticing that there are clusters. In any case, it's way out of date. Much more reliable and extensive data can be found in Rupert Lowe's rape gang inquiry, for example, where they have found over 70 towns where such gangs have been operating.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 9:59 pm https://kaotic.com/video/693aacf3_20251028161809_t

Footage of the schizophrenic religious zealot barbarian jihadist stabbing the poor bloke. If those bloody Brits didn't outlaw personal firearms that lad could have blasted that foul savage before the second stab and likely survived. Boo to the king. Boo to the queen. Boo! BOO!!

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 9:59 pm

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 9:43 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 9:37 pm
Please provide me with the quote from Starmer.

It was in a letter to Jess Phillips, I believe. I'll try and find a link, but in the meantime maybe you can find a link to a source saying that the vast majority of rape gangs are white, as you asserted.

Just get the quote.

What I have told you is that the vast majority of pimps who recruit underage girls don't even get investigated because nobody really pays any attention. By definition there's no statistics for that sort of thing. Anyone who tells you they have a stat is making it up. Anyone who tells you they have a stat for one particular religion is only interested in finding out about that particular religion. That's why the cops don't have an ethnicity for most of their "suspects", all they have is a nickname and a hair colour from some witness statement they ignored years ago.

But you know all this. You are an active and diligent part of the far right propaganda machine. You sure as Hell aren't here for the philosophy any more than accelafine is.

Belinda wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 10:03 pm

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 9:38 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 9:30 pm

The fact is that Pakistanis as sexual predators was over-represented by certain media. You must know that popular media often are owned by people who sell stories to make a profit for themselves.


ChatGPT research.

Please look at "The main factors are opportunity, misogyny, social vulnerability, and institutional failings, not ethnicity." which is what Flash and I have been saying

Even while bending over backwards to obscure the results, by deliberately not recoding ethnicity, and lumping the figures in with all forms of abuse, they still can't help noticing that there are clusters. In any case, it's way out of date. Much more reliable and extensive data can be found in Rupert Lowe's rape gang inquiry, for example, where they have found over 70 towns where such gangs have been operating.

You are mistaken. The report from ChatGPT did actually stipulate group -based child sexual exploitation, which is what we popularly call "grooming gangs".

Moreover I told ChatGPT to adjust for relative densities of ethnic groups, which it did.

You are blinded to the wider context by the lurid 'cluster' effect. You should read a better newspaper.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 10:13 pm Same nonsense in my country. I can't carry because I'm a felon. Now, if some fool is able to stab me to death because I'm east coast Crips and i can't have a gun i will make the State pay dearly from beyond the grave having become, like Obi Wan Kenobi, more powerful than the State can possibly imagine.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 10:13 pm Same nonsense in my country. I can't carry because I'm a felon. Now, if some fool is able to stab me to death because I'm east coast Crips and i can't have a gun i will make the State pay dearly from beyond the grave having become, like Obi Wan Kenobi, more powerful than the State can possibly imagine.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 9:59 pm https://kaotic.com/video/693aacf3_20251028161809_t

Footage of the schizophrenic religious zealot barbarian jihadist stabbing the poor bloke. If those bloody Brits didn't outlaw personal firearms that lad could have blasted that foul savage before the second stab and likely survived. Boo to the king. Boo to the queen. Boo! BOO!!