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MagsJ wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 10:51 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 9:20 pm

MagsJ wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:42 pm .
Lol


Accelafine<->Asinine.. get it?

Oh right. They both begin with 'A'. Hilarious. Never heard 'bore off' before. It's apparently something that extemely entertaining and interesting people like you say to 'dismiss' people like me as their inferiors.
Well that REALLY put me in my place didn't it....

..and you put words in my mouth, that I did not say.

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 2:12 am You only said one word you pathetic cvnt.

Phil8659 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 11:10 am

Age wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 10:50 am

Phil8659 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 10:16 am
Do you distinguish nature as being further divided into the perceptible and the intelligible, such as the difference between body and mind in regard to particulars?

Out of curiosity what do you mean by 'perceptible' and 'intelligible', exactly, and will you provide examples?

If no, then why not?

You are one person who clearly cannot have this conversation, as the intelligible to you is incomprehensible, however, I will submit a division in all life forms given many thousands of years ago.

Those Systems that Acquire the Element of Material.
1) The Digestive-System.
2) The Musculoskeletal-System.
3) The Respiratory-System.
Those Systems that Acquire the Element of Form.
4) The Ocular-System.
5) The Vestibular-System.
6) The Procreative-System.
7) The Judgmental-System

Phil8659 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 11:17 am Those seven are given in metaphors;
Seven women shall, one jew.

Seven eyes and seven horns which are the seven Spirits of God.

It is the image of man.

Seven means of perception, seven means of self defense, Most people lack the seventh. It is still being made.

Six of those can become functional through technology, but which one cannot be replaced at all, which one defines Man?

Now the whole metaphor goes like this, we will do our own work, only let us be called by your name, which eventually will be true. Each life support system doing its own work, only if the seventh, the mind does its own work.
So, take a look around the whole globe, which life support system is provably not doing its own work?
The entire Bible outlines the evolution of mankind.
It is really the result of being a complete dumbass, claiming that the Bible contradicts evolution, when in fact, if you have even read it, it is all about evolution.

Maia wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 1:10 pm

Age wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 10:48 am

Maia wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:36 am

Perhaps there wasn't a big bang, as such,

That there are 'bangs' occurring, is irrefutable. Now, what the words 'big bang' mean and refer to, exactly, would have to be first discussed, and agreed upon, before I could even begin to let you know if there was a so-called 'big bang', or not.

Maia wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:36 am or an infinitely compressed particle, just a very small one,

Just a very small one' is what 'an infinitely compressed particle' means, and refers to, exactly.

Maia wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:36 am compared to the size of the universe now.

Obviously what the 'Universe' actually is, exactly, is still being missed, misunderstood, and misinterpreted, here.

See, when the word 'Universe' means or is referring to, All-there-is; Everything; Totality, then the Universe remains the exact same size ALWAYS.

The Universe, Itself, can never ever change in size.

And, as always, if absolutely any one would like the actual irrefutable proof for this claim, then by all means let 'us' have a discussion.

Maia wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:36 am This is very much, though, beyond my area of expertise.

Is there some thing, here, that you are interested in and would like to 'know', for sure?

Maia wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:36 am The cycles of nature that concern us are on a much smaller scale.

If, as you were talking about, Nature/Universe, Itself, being 'in cycles', then 'that' concerns you human beings just as much as any other 'cycle', if only if 'that cycle' was not 'cycling', then you human beings would not have come to be 'created', through 'evolution', itself.

May I ask why you refer to humans as if you are not one, yourself?

Maia wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 1:10 pm I don't know the answers to the eternal questions about the universe, and I'm pretty sure that no one else does, either,

Maia wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 1:10 pm but I'm fine with that.

Maia wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 1:10 pm How boring life would be, if we knew everything, with nothing ever to find out, or discover.

Phil8659 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 3:01 pm

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 2:30 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:29 pm

That's even more absurd than being a bog standard creationist. So you acknowledge scientific fact except for humans. Everything evolves--except for humans. We just suddenly appeared, fully formed....when, exactly, and from where?

Speaking for myself, absurd it certainly was when I knew a variant of it. I never believed. I always knew. It's all about when you know God exists as revealed by one or more texts. You then have to become a fundamentalist to some degree. Always. You believe. An incoherent, unjustified untrue belief at least, by faith, whatever that is, and all else follows from that, including an immense flow of good reasoning on that premise. There are straight wooden literalists, but as soon as you allow for metaphor, carriers of meaning, anything is possible. Absurd is normal, there's a vast spectrum of it. You can make it work. Easily. Absurdly easily. The vast majority of Christians believe to some degree that Jesus' death atoned, for them for all. Including ones smarter, better educated and nicer than anyone else we know, especially ourselves. That is as fundamentalist as a universe in 6 days 6000 years ago.

You write as if there is only one grammatically correct usage of grammar, when in fact, all systems of grammar function using both. And, you assume that somehow you know when one form is being used and not the other.

You group people by a provably false standard. By fact, we are either literate or not.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 10:50 pm

Maia wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 1:10 pm

Age wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 10:48 am

That there are 'bangs' occurring, is irrefutable. Now, what the words 'big bang' mean and refer to, exactly, would have to be first discussed, and agreed upon, before I could even begin to let you know if there was a so-called 'big bang', or not.



Just a very small one' is what 'an infinitely compressed particle' means, and refers to, exactly.


Obviously what the 'Universe' actually is, exactly, is still being missed, misunderstood, and misinterpreted, here.

See, when the word 'Universe' means or is referring to, All-there-is; Everything; Totality, then the Universe remains the exact same size ALWAYS.

The Universe, Itself, can never ever change in size.

And, as always, if absolutely any one would like the actual irrefutable proof for this claim, then by all means let 'us' have a discussion.


Is there some thing, here, that you are interested in and would like to 'know', for sure?



If, as you were talking about, Nature/Universe, Itself, being 'in cycles', then 'that' concerns you human beings just as much as any other 'cycle', if only if 'that cycle' was not 'cycling', then you human beings would not have come to be 'created', through 'evolution', itself.

May I ask why you refer to humans as if you are not one, yourself?

Yes you may, and when you do then 'I' will answer 'that question', for 'you'.

But, to just inform and prior warn you, it will take more than just one clarifying question, and one reply and answer, before 'you' will come to fully understand the actual answer and Truth, here.

Maia wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 1:10 pm I don't know the answers to the eternal questions about the universe, and I'm pretty sure that no one else does, either,

And, it was because of near absolute beliefs like this one, here, why it took these human beings, back when this was being written, so, so long to catch up and also find, see, and know the actual Truth of things, here.

Just for your information, the actual answers, and thus actual Truths, to what you call the 'eternal questions', here, are very simple and very easy to find, and know, that is, once you also learn and gain the knowledge, and thus the know-how, of how to recognise and find the answers to all of what I call the Truly 'meaningful questions:, in Life.

Now, I have repeatedly explained throughout this forum of H.O.W. the answers are found to 'these questions'. But, if you would like 'me' to just directly provide you with 'the answers', only, then all you have to do is just asked the actual question/s themselves. By the way, the more specific your questions are, then the more specific the answers can be provided.

Also and do not forget that I will need to obtain a better understanding, from you, about how you are defining and/or understanding the words, themselves, on the questions you ask. For example, if you were to ask, 'Why do 'you' refer to humans as though 'you' are not one, yourself? Then because there is quite a fair bit that needs to be unpacked', as some might say, and understood first, before you could understand, fully, the answer, and thus actual Truth, here, then quite a bit of time and back and forth communication will be needed for the actualizing of 'the answer' to eventually come-to-light. In other words just the simple and actual difference between the words 'you' and 'I' have to become known and understood first. See, in the question I said and write in the example above only the 'you' word was used, and the human being 'you', known as "age", here, never ever sees it as not being one of 'you' human beings. This is just far better and fully understood when 'you' "maia" come to learn, see, understand, and know, fully the answer to the 'age old eternal and meaningful question', 'Who am 'I'?' exactly.

Maia wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 1:10 pm but I'm fine with that.

But, are you fine with not learning any thing more, nor anew?

Maia wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 1:10 pm How boring life would be, if we knew everything, with nothing ever to find out, or discover.

'we' human beings, individually or even collectively, could never know every thing. It is just an absolute impossibility, and thinking, or worse still believing, that 'we' could is beyond absolute absurdity.

Finding, uncovering, and already knowing 'the answers' to what I call 'meaningful questions' never ever means that 'we' know every thing. There are still infinite more questions besides the few dozen or so so-called 'eternal', 'meaningful', or 'philosophical' questions, in Life.

But, what I came to realise and know is that 'the way' to uncovering, finding, and realising, 'the answers' to the 'meaningful' questions, in Life, is also 'the way' to finding and learning what is needed for, and will be is, the exponential growth in learning to create what leads 'us' all towards living 'the life' that 'we' all Truly want and desire, for "ourselves".

Maia wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 11:18 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 10:50 pm

Maia wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 1:10 pm

May I ask why you refer to humans as if you are not one, yourself?

Yes you may, and when you do then 'I' will answer 'that question', for 'you'.

But, to just inform and prior warn you, it will take more than just one clarifying question, and one reply and answer, before 'you' will come to fully understand the actual answer and Truth, here.

Maia wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 1:10 pm I don't know the answers to the eternal questions about the universe, and I'm pretty sure that no one else does, either,

And, it was because of near absolute beliefs like this one, here, why it took these human beings, back when this was being written, so, so long to catch up and also find, see, and know the actual Truth of things, here.

Just for your information, the actual answers, and thus actual Truths, to what you call the 'eternal questions', here, are very simple and very easy to find, and know, that is, once you also learn and gain the knowledge, and thus the know-how, of how to recognise and find the answers to all of what I call the Truly 'meaningful questions:, in Life.

Now, I have repeatedly explained throughout this forum of H.O.W. the answers are found to 'these questions'. But, if you would like 'me' to just directly provide you with 'the answers', only, then all you have to do is just asked the actual question/s themselves. By the way, the more specific your questions are, then the more specific the answers can be provided.

Also and do not forget that I will need to obtain a better understanding, from you, about how you are defining and/or understanding the words, themselves, on the questions you ask. For example, if you were to ask, 'Why do 'you' refer to humans as though 'you' are not one, yourself? Then because there is quite a fair bit that needs to be unpacked', as some might say, and understood first, before you could understand, fully, the answer, and thus actual Truth, here, then quite a bit of time and back and forth communication will be needed for the actualizing of 'the answer' to eventually come-to-light. In other words just the simple and actual difference between the words 'you' and 'I' have to become known and understood first. See, in the question I said and write in the example above only the 'you' word was used, and the human being 'you', known as "age", here, never ever sees it as not being one of 'you' human beings. This is just far better and fully understood when 'you' "maia" come to learn, see, understand, and know, fully the answer to the 'age old eternal and meaningful question', 'Who am 'I'?' exactly.

Maia wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 1:10 pm but I'm fine with that.

But, are you fine with not learning any thing more, nor anew?

Maia wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 1:10 pm How boring life would be, if we knew everything, with nothing ever to find out, or discover.

'we' human beings, individually or even collectively, could never know every thing. It is just an absolute impossibility, and thinking, or worse still believing, that 'we' could is beyond absolute absurdity.

Finding, uncovering, and already knowing 'the answers' to what I call 'meaningful questions' never ever means that 'we' know every thing. There are still infinite more questions besides the few dozen or so so-called 'eternal', 'meaningful', or 'philosophical' questions, in Life.

But, what I came to realise and know is that 'the way' to uncovering, finding, and realising, 'the answers' to the 'meaningful' questions, in Life, is also 'the way' to finding and learning what is needed for, and will be is, the exponential growth in learning to create what leads 'us' all towards living 'the life' that 'we' all Truly want and desire, for "ourselves".

I think it's perfectly possible that you may have found the answers that work for you, but they're not going to be the same as what work for me, or anyone else.

Maia wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 11:18 pm Not least because I'm already pretty happy with my life, and know exactly how I want it to progress, from here.

Maia wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 11:18 pm There's still a vast amount to do, to find out, and learn, and this doesn't involve the big questions about the universe.

Maia wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 11:18 pm Those can wait.

Maia wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 11:18 pm We may, or may not, be in a position to find out the answers to them, one day.

Maia wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 1:10 pm How boring life would be, if we knew everything, with nothing ever to find out, or discover.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 11:48 pm

Maia wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 11:18 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 10:50 pm

Yes you may, and when you do then 'I' will answer 'that question', for 'you'.

But, to just inform and prior warn you, it will take more than just one clarifying question, and one reply and answer, before 'you' will come to fully understand the actual answer and Truth, here.



And, it was because of near absolute beliefs like this one, here, why it took these human beings, back when this was being written, so, so long to catch up and also find, see, and know the actual Truth of things, here.

Just for your information, the actual answers, and thus actual Truths, to what you call the 'eternal questions', here, are very simple and very easy to find, and know, that is, once you also learn and gain the knowledge, and thus the know-how, of how to recognise and find the answers to all of what I call the Truly 'meaningful questions:, in Life.

Now, I have repeatedly explained throughout this forum of H.O.W. the answers are found to 'these questions'. But, if you would like 'me' to just directly provide you with 'the answers', only, then all you have to do is just asked the actual question/s themselves. By the way, the more specific your questions are, then the more specific the answers can be provided.

Also and do not forget that I will need to obtain a better understanding, from you, about how you are defining and/or understanding the words, themselves, on the questions you ask. For example, if you were to ask, 'Why do 'you' refer to humans as though 'you' are not one, yourself? Then because there is quite a fair bit that needs to be unpacked', as some might say, and understood first, before you could understand, fully, the answer, and thus actual Truth, here, then quite a bit of time and back and forth communication will be needed for the actualizing of 'the answer' to eventually come-to-light. In other words just the simple and actual difference between the words 'you' and 'I' have to become known and understood first. See, in the question I said and write in the example above only the 'you' word was used, and the human being 'you', known as "age", here, never ever sees it as not being one of 'you' human beings. This is just far better and fully understood when 'you' "maia" come to learn, see, understand, and know, fully the answer to the 'age old eternal and meaningful question', 'Who am 'I'?' exactly.



But, are you fine with not learning any thing more, nor anew?




'we' human beings, individually or even collectively, could never know every thing. It is just an absolute impossibility, and thinking, or worse still believing, that 'we' could is beyond absolute absurdity.

Finding, uncovering, and already knowing 'the answers' to what I call 'meaningful questions' never ever means that 'we' know every thing. There are still infinite more questions besides the few dozen or so so-called 'eternal', 'meaningful', or 'philosophical' questions, in Life.

But, what I came to realise and know is that 'the way' to uncovering, finding, and realising, 'the answers' to the 'meaningful' questions, in Life, is also 'the way' to finding and learning what is needed for, and will be is, the exponential growth in learning to create what leads 'us' all towards living 'the life' that 'we' all Truly want and desire, for "ourselves".

I think it's perfectly possible that you may have found the answers that work for you, but they're not going to be the same as what work for me, or anyone else.

I will explain 'this', again, and hopefully some, or more, will understand it 'this time'.

The answers, or what is the actual Truth, can only, and I mean ONLY, be 'the answers' and the Truth, when 'it' aligns with absolutely EVERY one.

'The answers', which I talk about, only came to be 'the answers', and thus 'the Truth', because absolutely every one could agree with and accept 'them'. Which, in and of itself, makes 'those answers', actually 'literally' irrefutable. And, it is only what is 'irrefutable', which is what the actual Truths are, in Life.

Now, 'you' are absolutely free to think, and believe, absolutely any thing. But, only after 'the answers' that I have, and will provide, have been questioned and challenged, fully, can the actual irrefutable Truth come-to-light.

Also, if what so-called 'works for you' does not 'work for another nor every one', then that is the clearest sign that 'what works for you' are not the actual True, Right, Accurate, nor Correct answers, in Life, obviously.

Furthermore, why are you, already, believing, absolutely, and thus have already concluded that 'what works for me' is not going to 'the same' that 'works for you' nor for 'anyone else'? What, exactly, has led you to come to such a fixed position and belief?

Maia wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 11:18 pm Not least because I'm already pretty happy with my life, and know exactly how I want it to progress, from here.

That is absolutely great. But, just telling 'us', here, 'your beliefs' and what you are 'currently' believing is true, without providing absolutely any thing that could nor does back up and support your own 'currently' existing beliefs and/or presumptions, are not helping you in any way at all, here.

Maia wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 11:18 pm There's still a vast amount to do, to find out, and learn, and this doesn't involve the big questions about the universe.

There is, supposedly, still a vast amount, for you, to do, and to find out, and learn about, in regards to 'what', exactly?

And, if 'the vast amount that you still have to do, find out, and learn about', does not involve the 'now' so-called 'big questions' about the Universe, then okay, but let 'us' not forget:

1. It was you who brought up the issue about how it was you who still does not yet know the answers to the eternal questions about the universe, here, and not me.

2. This thread is about 'evolution', which some may well consider would or could involve so-called 'big questions' about the Universe, itself.

Maia wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 11:18 pm Those can wait.

But, contrary to your belief, some already know, and thus already have, 'the answers' to 'those questions', about the Universe.

Maia wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 11:18 pm We may, or may not, be in a position to find out the answers to them, one day.

Once more, some already have 'the answers', to 'them'.

Why do you just keep believing, absolutely, that 'the answers' are not already known?

you sound like one 'trying to' claim that we, or may not, ever know if 'we' live in a 'geocentric system' or a 'solar system', when there were already some who already knew 'the answer'.

Once again, 'the answers' to if the Universe is eternal or not, what the Universe fundamentally is made up or consists of, and how the Universe actually works is ALREADY KNOWN, among other things, here. But, obviously, not yet by every one, here.

Ben JS wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 7:10 am

Maia wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 1:10 pm How boring life would be, if we knew everything, with nothing ever to find out, or discover.

Would you live your life again if you knew exactly what would happen in advance,
but had no capacity to change it?

If life is a gift, then surely it would be worth experiencing again -
like watching one's favourite movie one more time.

But yes, the surprise - the expectations exceeded, unmet or diverted - make the journey more thrilling, very much so.

A ride where you're not sure what's next.

Maia wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 7:24 am Yes, the fact that we don't know what's coming next is definitely part of the ride, as it were. Everything is full of possibilities. If we knew it all in advance, that would certainly take the fun out of things, and would be a very different sort of experience.

Ben JS wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 7:41 am

Maia wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 7:24 am Yes, the fact that we don't know what's coming next is definitely part of the ride, as it were. Everything is full of possibilities. If we knew it all in advance, that would certainly take the fun out of things, and would be a very different sort of experience.

Thank you for being very polite about my silly analogy - it clicked after the fact.
One's favourite story/novel would have been a better description.

Maia wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 7:19 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 11:48 pm

Maia wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 11:18 pm

I think it's perfectly possible that you may have found the answers that work for you, but they're not going to be the same as what work for me, or anyone else.

I will explain 'this', again, and hopefully some, or more, will understand it 'this time'.

The answers, or what is the actual Truth, can only, and I mean ONLY, be 'the answers' and the Truth, when 'it' aligns with absolutely EVERY one.

'The answers', which I talk about, only came to be 'the answers', and thus 'the Truth', because absolutely every one could agree with and accept 'them'. Which, in and of itself, makes 'those answers', actually 'literally' irrefutable. And, it is only what is 'irrefutable', which is what the actual Truths are, in Life.

Now, 'you' are absolutely free to think, and believe, absolutely any thing. But, only after 'the answers' that I have, and will provide, have been questioned and challenged, fully, can the actual irrefutable Truth come-to-light.

Also, if what so-called 'works for you' does not 'work for another nor every one', then that is the clearest sign that 'what works for you' are not the actual True, Right, Accurate, nor Correct answers, in Life, obviously.

Furthermore, why are you, already, believing, absolutely, and thus have already concluded that 'what works for me' is not going to 'the same' that 'works for you' nor for 'anyone else'? What, exactly, has led you to come to such a fixed position and belief?

Maia wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 11:18 pm Not least because I'm already pretty happy with my life, and know exactly how I want it to progress, from here.

That is absolutely great. But, just telling 'us', here, 'your beliefs' and what you are 'currently' believing is true, without providing absolutely any thing that could nor does back up and support your own 'currently' existing beliefs and/or presumptions, are not helping you in any way at all, here.

Maia wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 11:18 pm There's still a vast amount to do, to find out, and learn, and this doesn't involve the big questions about the universe.

There is, supposedly, still a vast amount, for you, to do, and to find out, and learn about, in regards to 'what', exactly?

And, if 'the vast amount that you still have to do, find out, and learn about', does not involve the 'now' so-called 'big questions' about the Universe, then okay, but let 'us' not forget:

1. It was you who brought up the issue about how it was you who still does not yet know the answers to the eternal questions about the universe, here, and not me.

2. This thread is about 'evolution', which some may well consider would or could involve so-called 'big questions' about the Universe, itself.

Maia wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 11:18 pm Those can wait.

But, contrary to your belief, some already know, and thus already have, 'the answers' to 'those questions', about the Universe.

Maia wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 11:18 pm We may, or may not, be in a position to find out the answers to them, one day.

Once more, some already have 'the answers', to 'them'.

Why do you just keep believing, absolutely, that 'the answers' are not already known?

you sound like one 'trying to' claim that we, or may not, ever know if 'we' live in a 'geocentric system' or a 'solar system', when there were already some who already knew 'the answer'.

Once again, 'the answers' to if the Universe is eternal or not, what the Universe fundamentally is made up or consists of, and how the Universe actually works is ALREADY KNOWN, among other things, here. But, obviously, not yet by every one, here.

Perhaps you could try and summarise, as succinctly as possible, what you believe this ultimate truth to be, then?