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ThinkOfOne wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:34 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:39 pm

ThinkOfOne wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 7:58 pm

Thought that you might be able to articulate what you have in mind. Perhaps even be able to make a well-reasoned case for it. Evidently that's "too much for [you]". Having had spot-checked some of your recent posts, this doesn't come as a complete surprise. Some can do no better than parrot things they've heard or read.

The topic is too big (wonder why you don't know this). I repeat, pick an aspect I listed, and I'll try to explain why I think that in the context of that aspect, the line should be drawn somewhere and why I think we are already beyond that line. And then you can explain why you disagree.

Quite frankly, anyone having a solid understanding of this topic and reasonably good writing skills should be able to succinctly articulate what they have in mind. Evidently you are unable to do so. Like I wrote earlier, it doesn't come as a complete surprise having spot-checked some of your posts. NONE seemed to have much in the way of substance.

Because you probably know little about metaphysics, science and nondual philosophy which is what I'm somewhat good at. Anyway now we are talking about social crap so are you capable of picking a subtopic or not? Not my fault that you didn't understand my general position on where the West is headed even though it's not uncommon.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:42 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:25 am

ThinkOfOne wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:05 am

But what is happening nowadays in the world is just madness.

What do you have in mind when you say "madness"?

I don't even know where to begin to answer that. Can this be answered in a post shorter than 20 pages?

The continuous destruction of most values has pushed us way beyond the optimal degree of liberalism. Societies are degrading, not functioning optimally, mental health is degrading, narcissism is rampant, entitlement is rampant. People who have standards find it difficult to be happy anymore. Shallowness is rewarded. Societes are overcomplicated with multiple cultures mixed together and also there's animosity towards the other cultures within the society.

The kind of thing he's looking for, Atla, and what I would be looking for if I was interested in your thoughts here, is

"The continuous destruction of most values" - what values?

"Mental health is degrading" - evidence?

"narcissism is rampant, entitlement is rampant" - evidence? I mean you're probably right, but if I wanted to know what you're thinking about it, like that guy you're talking to, I'd like to know why you think this is the case.

"People who have standards find it difficult to be happy anymore" - evidence?

"Shallowness is rewarded" - do you have examples?

I think he's right, you've kind of just thrown a bunch of big broad ideas out there, but they're too open to interpretation. Two entirely different people could agree that values have been destroyed, but think the exact opposite about which values are destroyed - you're saying stuff so broadly that anybody with just about any set of beliefs could agree with it. Like a horoscope. It's a choose-your-own-adventure set of statements - however you want it to be true, that's how it's true!

If I was curious what you think about this, I'd want you to move it away from the horoscope nature and get specific too, it's a reasonable request.

These are worth like 5-10 topics, you can't expect me to address them all at once.

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:56 pm

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:42 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:25 am
I don't even know where to begin to answer that. Can this be answered in a post shorter than 20 pages?

The continuous destruction of most values has pushed us way beyond the optimal degree of liberalism. Societies are degrading, not functioning optimally, mental health is degrading, narcissism is rampant, entitlement is rampant. People who have standards find it difficult to be happy anymore. Shallowness is rewarded. Societes are overcomplicated with multiple cultures mixed together and also there's animosity towards the other cultures within the society.

The kind of thing he's looking for, Atla, and what I would be looking for if I was interested in your thoughts here, is

"The continuous destruction of most values" - what values?

"Mental health is degrading" - evidence?

"narcissism is rampant, entitlement is rampant" - evidence? I mean you're probably right, but if I wanted to know what you're thinking about it, like that guy you're talking to, I'd like to know why you think this is the case.

"People who have standards find it difficult to be happy anymore" - evidence?

"Shallowness is rewarded" - do you have examples?

I think he's right, you've kind of just thrown a bunch of big broad ideas out there, but they're too open to interpretation. Two entirely different people could agree that values have been destroyed, but think the exact opposite about which values are destroyed - you're saying stuff so broadly that anybody with just about any set of beliefs could agree with it. Like a horoscope. It's a choose-your-own-adventure set of statements - however you want it to be true, that's how it's true!

If I was curious what you think about this, I'd want you to move it away from the horoscope nature and get specific too, it's a reasonable request.

These are worth like 5-10 topics, you can't expect me to address them all at once.

He can expect you to say SOMETHING though, instead of just reading a horoscope out and expecting other people to find it meaningful.

How hard is it to just give one or two examples each?

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:53 pm

ThinkOfOne wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:34 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:39 pm
The topic is too big (wonder why you don't know this). I repeat, pick an aspect I listed, and I'll try to explain why I think that in the context of that aspect, the line should be drawn somewhere and why I think we are already beyond that line. And then you can explain why you disagree.

Quite frankly, anyone having a solid understanding of this topic and reasonably good writing skills should be able to succinctly articulate what they have in mind. Evidently you are unable to do so. Like I wrote earlier, it doesn't come as a complete surprise having spot-checked some of your posts. NONE seemed to have much in the way of substance.

Because you probably know little about metaphysics, science and nondual philosophy which is what I'm somewhat good at. Anyway now we are talking about social crap so are you capable of picking a subtopic or not? Not my fault that you didn't understand my general position on where the West is headed even though it's not uncommon.

C'mon. It's very much due to your limitations that you are unable to succinctly and substantively articulate what you have in mind. Not everyone has the requisite skills. Evidently you also lack the humility to understand your limitations. As such, you blame shift. Seems to be all too common these days. Seems like there was a time not too long ago that most people at least understood enough to understand their limitations. Evidently you are not one of those people.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:15 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:56 pm

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:42 pm

The kind of thing he's looking for, Atla, and what I would be looking for if I was interested in your thoughts here, is

"The continuous destruction of most values" - what values?

"Mental health is degrading" - evidence?

"narcissism is rampant, entitlement is rampant" - evidence? I mean you're probably right, but if I wanted to know what you're thinking about it, like that guy you're talking to, I'd like to know why you think this is the case.

"People who have standards find it difficult to be happy anymore" - evidence?

"Shallowness is rewarded" - do you have examples?

I think he's right, you've kind of just thrown a bunch of big broad ideas out there, but they're too open to interpretation. Two entirely different people could agree that values have been destroyed, but think the exact opposite about which values are destroyed - you're saying stuff so broadly that anybody with just about any set of beliefs could agree with it. Like a horoscope. It's a choose-your-own-adventure set of statements - however you want it to be true, that's how it's true!

If I was curious what you think about this, I'd want you to move it away from the horoscope nature and get specific too, it's a reasonable request.

These are worth like 5-10 topics, you can't expect me to address them all at once.

He can expect you to say SOMETHING though, instead of just reading a horoscope out and expecting other people to find it meaningful.

How hard is it to just give one or two examples each?

Don't know what you guys mean by giving two examples. Like examples for trends?

continuous destruction of most values
1. The values provided by religions such as Christianity were not consciously replaced with good enough, stable non-theist values. As a result almost anything goes now.
2. There also seem to be attempts to deliberately destroy remaining values, for example look at gender ideology where we no longer even have men and women so no values can be based on these.

mental health is degrading
1. People are losing their identities, are told that they can be anything they want and as a result know even less who they are, can lead to mental problems.
2. Telling people that everyone is the same, has the same mental capabilities, even though that's not true, can lead to mental problems.

narcissism is rampant
1. Freedom shouldn't simply mean that you are free to do whatever you want, without consideration for others.
2. Social media shows how important it is for many people to display that they have perfect lives.

people who have standards find it difficult to be happy, shallowness is rewarded
1. Conscience, honor, dignity, honesty etc. these are becoming outdated, looked down upon.
2. Get ahead by any means possible.

Societes are overcomplicated with multiple cultures mixed together and also there's animosity towards the other cultures within the society.
1. Multiculturalism simply doesn't work, human nature is simply still too tribal for it. It only 'works' for now in those Western countries that became rich in the past by robbing the rest of the planet, and have the money to get away with multiculturalism, but eventually these countries will implode.
2. It's simply not efficient either to have multiple cultures in the same country.

ThinkOfOne wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:42 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:53 pm

ThinkOfOne wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:34 pm

Quite frankly, anyone having a solid understanding of this topic and reasonably good writing skills should be able to succinctly articulate what they have in mind. Evidently you are unable to do so. Like I wrote earlier, it doesn't come as a complete surprise having spot-checked some of your posts. NONE seemed to have much in the way of substance.

Because you probably know little about metaphysics, science and nondual philosophy which is what I'm somewhat good at. Anyway now we are talking about social crap so are you capable of picking a subtopic or not? Not my fault that you didn't understand my general position on where the West is headed even though it's not uncommon.

C'mon. It's very much due to your limitations that you are unable to succinctly and substantively articulate what you have in mind. Not everyone has the requisite skills. Evidently you also lack the humility to understand your limitations. As such, you blame shift. Seems to be all too common these days. Seems like there was a time not too long ago that most people at least understood enough to understand their limitations. Evidently you are not one of those people.

I see you still didn't pick a subtopic. Have you posted anything other than empty bullshit so far?

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:11 pm

ThinkOfOne wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:42 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:53 pm
Because you probably know little about metaphysics, science and nondual philosophy which is what I'm somewhat good at. Anyway now we are talking about social crap so are you capable of picking a subtopic or not? Not my fault that you didn't understand my general position on where the West is headed even though it's not uncommon.

C'mon. It's very much due to your limitations that you are unable to succinctly and substantively articulate what you have in mind. Not everyone has the requisite skills. Evidently you also lack the humility to understand your limitations. As such, you blame shift. Seems to be all too common these days. Seems like there was a time not too long ago that most people at least understood enough to understand their limitations. Evidently you are not one of those people.

I see you still didn't pick a subtopic. Have you posted anything other than empty bullshit so far?

Okay. You've made it clear that you're only on this forum to troll.

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:03 pm

now that's something!

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 6:18 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:48 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:13 am
Yet you could tell what Gary was talking about, and tell him that he was mistaken, even though he was even vaguer.

Once again, this one will not just 'clarify', but, instead, will 'try to' turn its inability or unwillingness 'onto the other'.

He's just like you!

But, when you asked me to provide 'some arguments' for some thing that I said and claimed 'I', unlike "atla", did provide 'some arguments'. And, exactly like you wanted me to.

The difference here is "atla" never answers and clarifies the actual clarifying questions I ask it. Whereas, only on the very rarest of occasions I do not. And, those times are always when the clarifying questions are in regards to 'me', alone, and not about 'the words' I put down here.

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:39 pm

ThinkOfOne wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 7:58 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 5:38 pm
That's too much for me, pick a point.

Thought that you might be able to articulate what you have in mind. Perhaps even be able to make a well-reasoned case for it. Evidently that's "too much for [you]". Having had spot-checked some of your recent posts, this doesn't come as a complete surprise. Some can do no better than parrot things they've heard or read.

The topic is too big (wonder why you don't know this).

LOL This topic is as 'small', and as simple and as easy, as every other topic brought up in what is generally referred to as 'philosophical discussions'.

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:39 pm I repeat, pick an aspect I listed, and I'll try to explain why I think that in the context of that aspect, the line should be drawn somewhere and why I think we are already beyond that line. And then you can explain why you disagree.

Out of any, or all, of the four things that you listed; Liberty, fraternity, equality, toleration, and which you claim are 'indeed good', but only 'in moderation;, within reasonable constraints', you also state and claim, where, exactly, do you think 'a line 'should' be drawn', and why do you already think that 'we' are 'beyond that line? And, what do you even mean by 'beyond' 'that line'.

And, if I disagree, then I could explain.

Or, are you under another sort of 'belief' that you cannot do 'this' 'with me', but only 'with others'?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:19 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 1:09 pm

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 12:46 pm
If we ask you for justification/an argument/support for one of your assertions, you will often say something along the lines of one cannot convince someone of something while they believe in something.

Did "flannel jesus" ask me for 'some arguments'?

If yes, then what happened?

I believe I already told you what I thought happened.

And, are you aware that what you thought, and then even believed, was Wrong?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:19 pm

And, coming from 'you' about 'me', allegedly and supposedly, often saying some thing, when you rarely, if ever, clarify when I ask you do, is somewhat very hypocritical, correct?

No. 1) I have clarified things with you and still do on occasion,

Yes, 'I' and 'we' 'know''. 'We' can read here. But, you only do this on the very, very rarest of occasions. As 'our' writings here prove so.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:19 pm but my experiences of what happens when I do clarify things has been unpleasant.

'Unpleasant' in regards to who and/or what, exactly?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:19 pm And I have detailed why with examples in the past.

I have also pointed out that you have a tendency to view and see things from a "one-sided", closed, or narrowed perspective, at times.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:19 pm 2) It's not the same thing. Am I telling you you should clarify? No. What I was saying that when you did what he asked, it wasn't in a direct response to his post.

So what?

Is there some sort of obligation that one has to do what another wants/requests, directly to them?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:19 pm So, he gets no notification.

What more can I do then informing that human being that what it wanted/requested is two posts after a specific of its own?

Also, and we are back to your tendency to completely miss things here, again. "flannel jesus" already informed me that 'that' is 'not what it is talking about/referring to', but, so far, has not been anymore specific that just this in regards to what it has 'now' decided to want and seek out, from me.

Even you 'think or believe' that the exact same post I directed "flannel jesus" to is the one that it wanted. But, as I have already explained, 'we' were and are 'both' Wrong, here.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:19 pm If I was wrong about that fine. But I did not just enter and say you damn well should clarify or the like. So, you're mixing issues.

But, I never ever even 'thought' you did, let alone made any comment that you did. So, I am certainly not making absolutely any issue at all about what it is that you are 'now' talking about and referring to here.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:19 pm

Not that you will ever answer this clarifying question, also.

Just did. Incorrect belief on your part.

Great. I had finally found a way that got these people, back then, to finally answer and clarify the actual clarifying questions that I posed, and asked here. I will see if this way works next time. It has not in the past, but it might again, in the future.

So, this one's answer is, 'No', it is not somewhat hypocritical for one to accuse another rarely answering/responding when that one itself does the exactly same things. Now, what I think you will find here "iwannaplato" that to other 'this' is actually being hypocritical and to some is being very hypocritical also.

Also, and by the way, you claim here is, again, absolutely False and Wrong. But, this is quite a common occurrence of yours.

And, considering your habit here, you might also have completely missed what I am actually talking about and referring to here, now.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:19 pm

Also, ii it an irrefutable Fact that while one is believing some thing is true, then it is an impossibility to convince, and/or proof to, them of some thing contrary, anyway. As has been proved True countless times throughout human history.

And, if absolutely any one would like to challenge me on this, then please so do.

I already did. And in fact have done it before.

Where and when, supposedly?

And, remember, according to you anyway, it is 'polite' to 'link' people to where and when.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:19 pm Not that that truism is refutable, but that it is irrelevant. It is framing the situation in an unreal way.

Enough on this issue.

LOL if your so-called 'truism' is irrefutable, then you would have no issue at all linking 'us' to where and when 'that', supposedly, happened.

Or, just proving once again that you while you are believing some thing is true, then at very same time you are also open to some thing contrary.

if you do neither, then what is this, really, saying, and proving?

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:53 pm

ThinkOfOne wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:34 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:39 pm
The topic is too big (wonder why you don't know this). I repeat, pick an aspect I listed, and I'll try to explain why I think that in the context of that aspect, the line should be drawn somewhere and why I think we are already beyond that line. And then you can explain why you disagree.

Quite frankly, anyone having a solid understanding of this topic and reasonably good writing skills should be able to succinctly articulate what they have in mind. Evidently you are unable to do so. Like I wrote earlier, it doesn't come as a complete surprise having spot-checked some of your posts. NONE seemed to have much in the way of substance.

Because you probably know little about metaphysics, science and nondual philosophy which is what I'm somewhat good at.

"atla" just so it noted you can, at times, come across with the 'dunning-kruger effect' and with an 'illusory superiority complex', and very strongly in both cases.

If you ever get to recognize and 'see' this in "yourself" is a whole other matter.

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:53 pm Anyway now we are talking about social crap so are you capable of picking a subtopic or not? Not my fault that you didn't understand my general position on where the West is headed even though it's not uncommon.

From my perspective, "thinkofone" completely and utterly understood your very 'general and very vague position'. Thus, the reason for seeking out clarification, elaboration, or reasoning.

LOL Even the word "west" is so vague, and general, that it actually means nor refers to actually any 'real thing, itself. And, then all you say is, 'Where the "west" is headed'.

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:56 pm

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:42 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:25 am
I don't even know where to begin to answer that. Can this be answered in a post shorter than 20 pages?

The continuous destruction of most values has pushed us way beyond the optimal degree of liberalism. Societies are degrading, not functioning optimally, mental health is degrading, narcissism is rampant, entitlement is rampant. People who have standards find it difficult to be happy anymore. Shallowness is rewarded. Societes are overcomplicated with multiple cultures mixed together and also there's animosity towards the other cultures within the society.

The kind of thing he's looking for, Atla, and what I would be looking for if I was interested in your thoughts here, is

"The continuous destruction of most values" - what values?

"Mental health is degrading" - evidence?

"narcissism is rampant, entitlement is rampant" - evidence? I mean you're probably right, but if I wanted to know what you're thinking about it, like that guy you're talking to, I'd like to know why you think this is the case.

"People who have standards find it difficult to be happy anymore" - evidence?

"Shallowness is rewarded" - do you have examples?

I think he's right, you've kind of just thrown a bunch of big broad ideas out there, but they're too open to interpretation. Two entirely different people could agree that values have been destroyed, but think the exact opposite about which values are destroyed - you're saying stuff so broadly that anybody with just about any set of beliefs could agree with it. Like a horoscope. It's a choose-your-own-adventure set of statements - however you want it to be true, that's how it's true!

If I was curious what you think about this, I'd want you to move it away from the horoscope nature and get specific too, it's a reasonable request.

These are worth like 5-10 topics, you can't expect me to address them all at once.

Why not?

Are you afraid of some thing? Or, just lack the ability to? Or, is there something else going on here for you, exactly?

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:03 pm

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:15 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:56 pm
These are worth like 5-10 topics, you can't expect me to address them all at once.

He can expect you to say SOMETHING though, instead of just reading a horoscope out and expecting other people to find it meaningful.

How hard is it to just give one or two examples each?

Don't know what you guys mean by giving two examples. Like examples for trends?

continuous destruction of most values
1. The values provided by religions such as Christianity were not consciously replaced with good enough, stable non-theist values. As a result almost anything goes now.

So, are you here implying that "christianity" and "its" values, (whatever they are/were exactly) were what was keeping 'society' together, or what was 'the glue' holding societies stable and together?

Also, what are even 'the values' that you are, again, alluding to here, by religions, which, supposedly were not 'consciously replaced' with 'good enough' so-called 'stable non-theist values'?

What are some examples of "non-theist" values, and, what are some examples of "christian" values, and why do you consider "christian" values 'better' here?

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:03 pm 2. There also seem to be attempts to deliberately destroy remaining values,

What are the, supposed, 'values' that have disappeared, and what are the, supposed 'remaining values', which you say and claim seem to be attempted to be 'deliberately destroyed'? And, by who and/or what, exactly?

Also, do you realize just how 'vague' and how 'in general' you actually write and appear here?

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:03 pm for example look at gender ideology where we no longer even have men and women so no values can be based on these.

And, 'we' could also 'look at' 'gender ideology', through "christianity", and how "women" and 'children' had absolutely no say in any thing at all. As it was the so-called "men" who 'believed', absolutely, that 'they' were the powerful, superior, and knowing ones, only. And, how so-called "christian men" that they had 'the right' to 'use' and 'mis/treat' "women" and 'children' in what ever way that they saw 'fit'. Including 'using' children in so-called "christian" church environments for any 'pleasure' that those so-called "men" wanted.

Hopefully, those sort of so-called "christian" 'gender ideologies' disappear for ever more, and to never to return again, ever. [/quote]

Also, the Fact that there is no, actual, 'gender' of 'male' nor 'female' other than, of course, in regards to the organs of the physical body and in regards to sexual reproduction, of the species human, so what other, supposed, 'values' is one, supposed, to have, to you, "atla?

Do you have some sort of view or belief that 'one' should be 'valued' more over another? Or, is there something else going on for you, here?

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:03 pm mental health is degrading
1. People are losing their identities, are told that they can be anything they want and as a result know even less who they are, can lead to mental problems.

'one' would have to 'know' who they are, exactly, to be able to begin to 'lose their identity's'.

Do 'you' "atla" 'know', exactly who 'you' are?

What is 'your identity', exactly?

And, how many 'actual identities' do you have?

Also, when you say 'people' are losing 'their identities', (plural), are 'you' one of 'these people', or do 'you', consider, 'you' as one of 'people'. Or, is just a case of 'other people' are 'losing their identities', but 'not you'?

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:03 pm 2. Telling people that everyone is the same, has the same mental capabilities, even though that's not true, can lead to mental problems.

Only if one started 'believing' what was 'not true'.

Also, there are some who 'believe' that they have 'greater mental capabilities', which in and of itself, can lead to more 'mental health issues', while those who actually 'believe' that they have 'greater mental capabilities', when it is actually not true at all, can lead to even further and worsening 'mental health issues'.

Do you believe that you have 'greater mental capabilities' "atla" than others do?

if yes, then in regards to 'what', exactly?

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:03 pm narcissism is rampant
1. Freedom shouldn't simply mean that you are free to do whatever you want, without consideration for others.

I do not know of absolutely anywhere where the word 'freedom' is used in this way. Let alone ever seeing that word 'simply mean' what you said and wrote here.

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:03 pm 2. Social media shows how important it is for many people to display that they have perfect lives.

But, there is absolutely no 'importance' for any one to do this.

Why does 'social media' show you what you just said and claimed here?

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:03 pm people who have standards find it difficult to be happy, shallowness is rewarded

Are you here suggesting that your own 'unhappiness' in Life, and with 'just living' is due to some sort of 'belief' that you have so-called 'standards'?

Or, am I getting this completely Wrong here?

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:03 pm 1. Conscience, honor, dignity, honesty etc. these are becoming outdated, looked down upon.

So, why do you 'look down' upon these things?

Or, are you trying to suggest here that it is 'only' others who do this, but that you do not?

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:03 pm 2. Get ahead by any means possible.

'Ahead' in relation to 'what', exactly?

Absolutely none of you human beings actually 'get ahead', of another. Although, and obviously some of you do 'believe' otherwise. After all, you all end up in the exact same place, absolutely equally.

And, again, let 'us' not forget that it is a lot of your own 'beliefs', which is why the 'mental health' of you adult human beings in the days when this is being written could be improved tremendously.

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:03 pm Societes are overcomplicated with multiple cultures mixed together and also there's animosity towards the other cultures within the society.

you have said and made this claim before, as well. But, you are meant to be 'here, now', explaining further, elaborating on, justifying, and/or reasoning your claims and assertions.

Also, if any society is complicated, or even so-called 'over-complicated', then that is the sole responsibility of your adult human beings, and was and is caused, again solely, by you adult human beings, alone.

So, what is 'it' that you are doing, which is causing and creating 'societies' to be 'this way'. Which, obviously, when found and discovered, you also provide the 'actual solution' to make societies simple again. For obviously, once you have found and know the 'why', then you have the 'prevention' of the 'cause', as well.

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:03 pm 1. Multiculturalism simply doesn't work,

So, is this the very reason 'why' what is very Falsely and Wrongly called the "united states of america" and every other country/culture which has been taken over people of other countries/cultures do not work?

Also, once you human beings stop 'separating' you human beings into 'classes' of perceived different 'cultures', then you will start 'seeing' of of you as just 'human beings', alone, and then, and only then, you will stop 'seeing' and stop 'doing' what it is that "atla" is very 'clearly seeing and doing' here.

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:03 pm human nature is simply still too tribal for it.

And, there is only One 'tribe' of 'you' human beings, anyway.

Any 'attempt' to 'try to' 'separate' you human beings into 'smaller' or 'different' 'cultures' or 'smaller' or 'different' 'classes' of anything else is just 'separatism' in its purest form.

you human beings belong to and with the one human being 'tribe', and who all of you live in and on your One home, called earth,

And, you all, individually, live in 'different ways', as obviously not every one can live in the 'exact same way'. But, 'trying to' 'separate' you human beings into 'separate' different 'cultures', 'groups', or 'races' is, exactly, how and why you adult human beings have 'fallen into the trap' of 'racism', itself.

By 'trying to' 'look at' and 'see' "your" own 'selves' as 'separated things' you end up in 'separatism', itself. Which, 'we' all 'know' where 'that' can lead to, exactly.

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:03 pm It only 'works' for now in those Western countries that became rich in the past by robbing the rest of the planet, and have the money to get away with multiculturalism, but eventually these countries will implode.

Okay,

But, once again, there is absolutely nothing at all here that backs up, supports, nor justifies this position nor assertion that you have and are 'holding onto' here.

They are, as you would say, claim, and accuse another of, until 'proved', just fairy tales that you have made up, "atla"

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:03 pm 2. It's simply not efficient either to have multiple cultures in the same country.

LOL
LOL
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The narrowedness and closedness that the adult human being was capable of, back when this was written, never ceases to amaze. But, explains, exactly, why there was so much distrust and conflict continually arising among those adult human beings, back in those 'olden days'.

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 1:58 am

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 6:18 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:48 am

Once again, this one will not just 'clarify', but, instead, will 'try to' turn its inability or unwillingness 'onto the other'.

He's just like you!

But, when you asked me to provide 'some arguments' for some thing that I said and claimed 'I', unlike "atla", did provide 'some arguments'. And, exactly like you wanted me to.

The difference here is "atla" never answers and clarifies the actual clarifying questions I ask it. Whereas, only on the very rarest of occasions I do not. And, those times are always when the clarifying questions are in regards to 'me', alone, and not about 'the words' I put down here.

No you didn't, you just said you had already provided them.

Also, you keep saying you provided it after I asked for it, but in your reply to me you said "as I said, I have already done it." Do you know what that means in English? In English, you only say "I have already done it" if you did it BEFORE it was requested. Are you aware of how that phrase works?