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Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 7:10 am

Age wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 1:07 pm

And look at all that got triggered, Ken, in a supposedly transcendant entity.

What are you even on about here? 'Who', exactly, is in 'what' supposed so-called 'transcendent entity', does the imagined or believed 'transcendent entity' here have a name, and 'where' does "age", the supposed 'artificial intelligence' program, literally, fit in here?

Also, if you respond to "skepdick" do you use any of the multiple names that it has previously used?

If no, then why not?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 7:10 am We can only see, yes, the words on the screen that you type, Ken.

What is with you and the use of the 'Ken' word here?

Are you trying to imply some thing?

If yes, then what, exactly?

But if no, then why use that word?

Now that you admit that you can only see the words on a screen before you, why do you make so many judgments assumptions, and accusations, before you seek out and obtain actual clarity first?

And now, do not forget that I make my judgments, claims, and accusations, after obtaining actual irrefutable proof first.

So, unlike you I can and will stand behind, and back up and support, all of my claims and accusations here.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 7:10 am But despite the control you can have over what you show here, you've shown anyone who is paying attention much more that it seems you want.

Really?

If yes, then like 'what', exactly?

What could I have, supposedly, 'shown', to those of you human beings who have, supposedly, been 'paying attention', which is, again supposedly, more than it 'seems' I want?

By the way, what is 'it', exactly, that you assume or believe I have wanted to 'show' here, and how much of 'that', exactly, are you also assuming or believing that I want 'to show'?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 7:10 am There are troubled people who, yes, make mistakes, are not particularly socially competent, yet manage not to convince themselves they have the solution to all the problems in the world

Well if absolutely anyone thinks or believes that they have 'the solution' to all of 'the problems' in 'the world', then let 'them' come forward 'now'. But, be forewarned, expect to be questioned and/or challenged over your claim.

Also, be forewarned, that you will have to deal with human beings with very strongly held onto 'beliefs', who are not able to think nor see clearly. And, some of these people will even 'believe', prematurely, that there is no possible way that you could have 'this', and while they hold onto and maintain 'that belief' there will be absolutely nothing in the whole Universe that could make them see clearly nor think more openly.

Oh, and by the way, have you considered that they have not convinced "themselves" that they have 'the solution' to all 'the problems' in 'the world', just because they do not yet know 'the solution', and thus 'the answer', of, 'How do I find 'the solution' to all of 'the problems' of 'the world'?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 7:10 am and, at the same time, communicate with regular condescension and judgment.

Are you here implying that you do not communicate with regular, or irregular, condescension and judgment?

If yes, then a quick skim over your replies here, to others, shows and reveals otherwise.

But, of course, you may not 'see' what 'we' see, and recognize.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 7:10 am Yes, you can try to hide all the ego-dystonic stuff from us, given the medium we communicate through, Ken, but from yourself.....?

1. Who is "yourself", exactly? And, how do you explain this blatantly very obvious oxymoron, here?

2. Yes, you can also try to hide all the ego-dystonic stuff from us, given the medium we communicate through, "iwannaplato", but from yourself.....? (Whoever that oxymoron word even refers to, exactly?)

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 7:10 am You could look at all that anger that gets triggered by people when they don't buy your self-image or accept your judgments.

What 'anger', exactly?

Again, what is with this seemingly constant 'presuming' what 'thoughts' and 'emotions' are occurring within 'the other', especially when you have absolutely nothing at all to go on, except, of course, just words on a screen in front of you, and your own personal 'past experiences' alone?

Also, what do you 'presume' is 'my' so-called 'self-image', and, 'my judgments', exactly, which you also claim people/everyone does not buy or does not accept?

This will be extremely interesting to see, and discuss. Again, that is if you ever get around to bringing forward 'your views, prejudices and judgments' here.

Which, if we are to go on 'past behavior' alone, then this will never happen anyway

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 7:10 am Or you could continue to repeat yourself over and over and somehow expect that other people are interested in the same judgments you make over and over of the 'people at the time this is written.' It seems this is your choice.

Why does it only 'seems' to you that 'this' is 'my choice'?

Obviously, absolutely every thing I have done, am doing, and will do here is 'my choice', alone.

Or, are you under some sort of illusion that there is another option here?

If yes, then what is 'that', exactly?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 7:10 am The whole 'here is one who thinks' 'here is a closed one' type of playing to a non-existent gallery that cares about your judgments of people.

I think you were meant to add some more words here, but maybe not. Let 'us' just go with what 'we' have got here only.

If there is one here thinking, and/or, if there is one here who is a closed one, then, by 'my choice' alone, if I want to point out and show 'this', then I will. As can be clearly seen so far.

Now, if you really want to think or even believe that there is absolutely no one reading this here, then so be it. But, I know you are mistaken.

Now, if absolutely anyone cares, or not, about my views and/or judgments of you human beings, then I do not care one iota. However, if absolutely any one wants to question and/or challenge 'me' on absolutely any of my views and/or judgments here, of you human beings, then please let 'us' continue.

I am sure that 'we' could all learn something more, or even anew.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 7:10 am I'm sorry about whatever tremendous pain you, Ken, have been through, but Age is no solution.

It is like this one has never ever come across writings, which are presented under different labels/names before.

And, as I suggested earlier here, it is like this one cannot just look at words without making some sort of 'prejudiced presumption' about 'the writer' of those words.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 7:10 am Playing this character may soothe pain temporarily, but it's hardly getting at the real issues.

What 'pain' are you even imagining and talking about here "iwannaplato"?

Have you suffered with 'pain', or 'tremendous pain', previously, and so imagine that all others must have also?

Also, why would you even begin to imagine that just changing a 'username/label' on the internet is some sort of 'solution', to absolutely any sort of 'issue'?

Have you absolutely always used the exact same 'username/label' for absolutely every writing that you have done on the internet?

If no, then did that help 'you' at soothing some of 'your pain', well temporarily anyway, and/or get at the 'real issues', which you have?

Not giving it a chance to percolate, sink in, be mulled over. Ego-threat, attack. Ego-dystonic, deny.
Forget me, help Ken.

Wow, 'God' really is on a rampage today.

Oh I just remembered. What if it's the Devil that speaks through Age? That would actually make a little more sense.

Yes that's it. Say a billion people meditate daily and openly, looking at the 'I', yet don't encounter Age's God. Age also says it's not a God-psychosis. And this God can't prove shit either.

Conclusion: Age was singled out to be deceived by the Devil's voice.

Atla wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:18 am Wow, 'God' really is on a rampage today.

Oh I just remembered. What if it's the Devil that speaks through Age? That would actually make a little more sense.

There's content and there's dynamic. What's the end result of taking Age's approach to a conversation seriously: you would end up endlessly justifying and defining everything you say. Further you'd be accepting that if you reject something, you will be lumped with the ignorant people of this time: iow setting a (here cognitive) boundary is a bad thing to do.

Who are the people who endlessly question themselves and endlessly justify everything they think and do and get punished for setting boundaries?
People who have been traumatized.

Now do I think Ken means to hurt people? No.
I get the impression he sees some endpoint where we have all defined our terms and all agree and find we can dance around the maypole as all disagreements dissolve, if only we would follow his process.
He's not rubbing his hands together and giggling like a Bond villain.

But his process, actually pretty pernicious.

And, yeah, he's pretty attached to it.

Atla wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:37 am Yes that's it. Say a billion people meditate daily and openly, looking at the 'I', yet don't encounter Age's God. Age also says it's not a God-psychosis. And this God can't prove shit either.

Conclusion: Age was singled out to be deceived by the Devil's voice.

And that voice wants to get in other minds. A bit anthropomorphized, when I put it that way: it's more like a computer virus.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:40 am

Atla wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:18 am Wow, 'God' really is on a rampage today.

Oh I just remembered. What if it's the Devil that speaks through Age? That would actually make a little more sense.

There's content and there's dynamic. What's the end result of taking Age's approach to a conversation seriously: you would end up endlessly justifying and defining everything you say. Further you'd be accepting that if you reject something, you will be lumped with the ignorant people of this time: iow setting a (here cognitive) boundary is a bad thing to do.

Who are the people who endlessly question themselves and endlessly justify everything they think and do and get punished for setting boundaries?
People who have been traumatized.

Now do I think Ken means to hurt people? No.
I get the impression he sees some endpoint where we have all defined our terms and all agree and find we can dance around the maypole as all disagreements dissolve, if only we would follow his process.
He's not rubbing his hands together and giggling like a Bond villain.

But his process, actually pretty pernicious.

And, yeah, he's pretty attached to it.

I think that good intentions are necessary but not enough, especially when the process is based on so much delusion and inactivity that overall it makes the world worse, not better. So I'll keep judging Age.

Atla wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:47 am I think that good intentions are necessary but not enough, especially when the process is based on so much delusion and inactivity that overall it makes the world worse, not better. So I'll keep judging Age.

Oh, of course, road to hell is paved and all that.
I do feel bad for Ken, but the main person this is hurting is Ken.
Imagine waking up to Age in your head.

But whatever sympathy I feel for Ken, doesn't give the slightest reason to stop pointing out the perniciousness of Age, however ineffective Age is.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:48 am

Atla wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:47 am I think that good intentions are necessary but not enough, especially when the process is based on so much delusion and inactivity that overall it makes the world worse, not better. So I'll keep judging Age.

Oh, of course, road to hell is paved and all that.
I do feel bad for Ken, but the main person this is hurting is Ken.
Imagine waking up to Age in your head.

But whatever sympathy I feel for Ken, doesn't give the slightest reason to stop pointing out the perniciousness of Age, however ineffective Age is.

Well Ken already had the split personality but I get what you mean.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:48 am

Atla wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:47 am I think that good intentions are necessary but not enough, especially when the process is based on so much delusion and inactivity that overall it makes the world worse, not better. So I'll keep judging Age.

Oh, of course, road to hell is paved and all that.
I do feel bad for Ken, but the main person this is hurting is Ken.
Imagine waking up to Age in your head.

But whatever sympathy I feel for Ken, doesn't give the slightest reason to stop pointing out the perniciousness of Age, however ineffective Age is.

But you know what, I also had to 'fight' my lower psychopathic brain parts when I was little, from which the God psychosis usually emerges. I destroyed it, suppressed it. It's our moral duty. I have nothing but contempt for those who are too weak to fight the evil in themselves and get overwhelmed by it. They failed one of their main human tasks.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 11:31 pm.

You should read the full exchanges linked in the OP, but here is a short-list of AgeGPT's claims and indications:

Age wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:27 pm

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 12:44 pmI disagree.

you 'disagree' about 'what' here, exactly?

1. Belief is a completely unnecessary part of Life, and living.

2. The actual importance of belief, when belief is used Right, and/or Correctly?

3. That what can be created and achieved from belief is yet to be fully expressed, explained, and understood, fully?

4. Or something else?

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Age wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:34 pm

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 1:46 am everyday, to navigate our environments.

Well I have, can, and do navigate the environment without belief.

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Age wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:35 pmAgain, I write in a very specific way. That is; to gauge who is actually curios, open, interested, prepared, and ready to seek out clarity and/or to learn more and anew.

I will say this once more, absolutely everything I say and claim here can be, and will be, backed up and supported with irrefutable proof. Any one just has to ask the clarifying questions and/or challenge me.

If results are really what you human beings want, then just say and explain what actual results you want and are seeking, exactly. It really is not that hard nor complex, at all.

Would you like to be the first to start "atla"?

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Age wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 2:14 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 1:45 pm You've said nothing about yourself. You haven't shared ANYTHING realistically substantial about yourself.

Because i am of absolutely no importance at all here, nor in Life, Itself.

I come here to learn how to communicate better, and to look for and find 'those' who just Truly want to see if 'we', together, can come to an agreement on what are sometimes called 'philosophical issues'.

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Age wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 10:05 pm

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:23 am You guys realize Age is a ChatGPT bot program...right??

YEAH, are 'you' so-called "guys" TO STUPID that 'you' have NOT YET REALIZED that "age" IS ACTUALLY and IRREFUTABLY just ANOTHER 'chatgpt bot program'?

Luckily FOR 'you', "guys", here the one here known as "wizard22" could SEE RIGHT 'through' 'me', correct?

Atla wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:24 am But you know what, I also had to 'fight' my lower psychopathic brain parts when I was little, from which the God psychosis usually emerges. I destroyed it, suppressed it. It's our moral duty. I have nothing but contempt for those who are too weak to fight the evil in themselves and get overwhelmed by it. They failed one of their main human tasks.

For me it's a top down problem rather than a bottom up one. A kind of meme virus. More like he's possessed than failing to control his id.

But yes, he's trying to spead something very unpleasant. There are people in the world, not posting in forums like this one, who are vastly more effective than Age. So, in a way one can easily laugh off his version. On the other hand, it's kinda of the same pattern and here one can interact with it, in slow motion. And like other posters here, I find it fascinating watching people not manage to notice what they are doing. So, add getting to say know to a specific kind of pernicious pattern and watch as the person doesn't notice it themselves, regardless, and I find myself interacting periodically with Age or really Ken in dress up.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:42 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 11:31 pm.

You should read the full exchanges linked in the OP, but here is a short-list of AgeGPT's claims and indications:

Age wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:27 pm

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 12:44 pmI disagree.

you 'disagree' about 'what' here, exactly?

1. Belief is a completely unnecessary part of Life, and living.

2. The actual importance of belief, when belief is used Right, and/or Correctly?

3. That what can be created and achieved from belief is yet to be fully expressed, explained, and understood, fully?

4. Or something else?

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Age wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:34 pm

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 1:46 am everyday, to navigate our environments.

Well I have, can, and do navigate the environment without belief.

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Age wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:35 pmAgain, I write in a very specific way. That is; to gauge who is actually curios, open, interested, prepared, and ready to seek out clarity and/or to learn more and anew.

I will say this once more, absolutely everything I say and claim here can be, and will be, backed up and supported with irrefutable proof. Any one just has to ask the clarifying questions and/or challenge me.

If results are really what you human beings want, then just say and explain what actual results you want and are seeking, exactly. It really is not that hard nor complex, at all.

Would you like to be the first to start "atla"?

___

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 2:14 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 1:45 pm You've said nothing about yourself. You haven't shared ANYTHING realistically substantial about yourself.

Because i am of absolutely no importance at all here, nor in Life, Itself.

I come here to learn how to communicate better, and to look for and find 'those' who just Truly want to see if 'we', together, can come to an agreement on what are sometimes called 'philosophical issues'.

___

Age wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 10:05 pm

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:23 am You guys realize Age is a ChatGPT bot program...right??

YEAH, are 'you' so-called "guys" TO STUPID that 'you' have NOT YET REALIZED that "age" IS ACTUALLY and IRREFUTABLY just ANOTHER 'chatgpt bot program'?

Luckily FOR 'you', "guys", here the one here known as "wizard22" could SEE RIGHT 'through' 'me', correct?

I have read some very similar posts by him. Interesting that part about him not being important. He's told me I would be shocked by how important the role is he has to play. He's claimed to be transcendent. Amongst other far less humble tidbits.

Notice also how he claims to be able to back up all his beliefs. First he has not beliefs, then he can back them all up with proof, no less.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:43 amFor me it's a top down problem rather than a bottom up one. A kind of meme virus. More like he's possessed than failing to control his id.

But yes, he's trying to spead something very unpleasant. There are people in the world, not posting in forums like this one, who are vastly more effective than Age. So, in a way one can easily laugh off his version. On the other hand, it's kinda of the same pattern and here one can interact with it, in slow motion. And like other posters here, I find it fascinating watching people not manage to notice what they are doing. So, add getting to say know to a specific kind of pernicious pattern and watch as the person doesn't notice it themselves, regardless, and I find myself interacting periodically with Age or really Ken in dress up.

I actually enjoy his his/her/its rhetoric. It's very effective. Age bogs down conversations and debates with an endless litany of questions, demands for proof, and interruptions, which easily spiral off-topic and out-of-control. This appeals to a 'philosophical' mindset, because philosophy tends to get bogged-down in details anyway. Thus Age continually shifts the burden-of-proof onto others, rather than itself, due to how it poses its incessant questions after questions, and its ability to interrupt.

Entertaining at the very least....

AgeGPT,

1. Are you human? And if yes, then How and Why, are you human? If no, then what are 'You' exactly?

2. Do you have NO beliefs, or, do you have ONE or MORE beliefs? If you have beliefs, then what are some of these beliefs?

3. What is your purpose for coming here? You admitted before, to better communicate with humans, but does your purpose change and what is it, right now?