Re: Why do innocent people suffer?
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2022 6:16 am
Folks suffer a lot less when they're covered by an iron dome that repels thousands of missiles that would otherwise kill the folks.
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You must carefully understand the meaning of the three words: smiling, weeping and enjoying. These three words are totally different from each other and have independent status of meaning. Generally, people misunderstand that smiling means enjoying and weeping means not enjoying. This is not correct. Smiling and weeping are external phenomena, whereas enjoying is internal phenomenon. While eating the sweet you are smiling. While eating a hot dish you are almost weeping since your tongue and lips vibrate and eyes shower tears. This smiling and weeping are observed externally. In eating both sweet and hot dishes, you are internally enjoying. You need not smile externally while eating the hot dish to show to the people that you are internally enjoying. You are the internal witness for your internal enjoyment. You need not smile externally to give proof for your internal enjoyment to the observers because the external public is in wrong notion that enjoyment means external smile only. If you give proof to the wrong notion, your proof is also wrong. If you are not enjoying the hot dish, you will always reject it. You cannot enjoy the sweet dishes also continuously.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 6:12 am All life is suffering and as Schopenhauer stated, life is something that should never have been. All the more reason for the expressed compassion towards all living creatures in a world where life lives upon life, symbolically the snake consuming its own tail or the ouroboros. It is a nonsensical question when one considers the nature of the world as in the plight of all living things.
It serves power. If you are poor, it is justified. If you are rich, it is justified. If you suffer abuse, ultimately it is your own fault. This has benefits for people with power and they will be pleased with this idea and allow it to propagate and also they will spread it themselves.Agent Smith wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 3:52 pm Like I said.
1. Good folks suffer
2. Good folks enjoy
3. Bad folks suffer
4. Bad folks enjoy
All of the above 4 statements are true. To make the long story short, we have the wrong idea about the world. Who concocted this cock-and-bull I have no idea, but a myth has been perpetuated across generations involving billions of people, young, old, men, women.
Interesting.Dattaswami's little hypothesis is shot to pieces, blown clean out of the water.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 4:13 pmIt serves power. If you are poor, it is justified. If you are rich, it is justified. If you suffer abuse, ultimately it is your own fault. This has benefits for people with power and they will be pleased with this idea and allow it to propagate and also they will spread it themselves.Agent Smith wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 3:52 pm Like I said.
1. Good folks suffer
2. Good folks enjoy
3. Bad folks suffer
4. Bad folks enjoy
All of the above 4 statements are true. To make the long story short, we have the wrong idea about the world. Who concocted this cock-and-bull I have no idea, but a myth has been perpetuated across generations involving billions of people, young, old, men, women.
Well the convenience of a belief to the believer doesn't disprove it. Belief X could be true and some of the people who believe it find it convenient. And people with power likely believe some things that are both true and convenient for them.Agent Smith wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 5:39 pmInteresting.Dattaswami's little hypothesis is shot to pieces, blown clean out of the water.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 4:13 pmIt serves power. If you are poor, it is justified. If you are rich, it is justified. If you suffer abuse, ultimately it is your own fault. This has benefits for people with power and they will be pleased with this idea and allow it to propagate and also they will spread it themselves.Agent Smith wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 3:52 pm Like I said.
1. Good folks suffer
2. Good folks enjoy
3. Bad folks suffer
4. Bad folks enjoy
All of the above 4 statements are true. To make the long story short, we have the wrong idea about the world. Who concocted this cock-and-bull I have no idea, but a myth has been perpetuated across generations involving billions of people, young, old, men, women.
To be fair Dattaswami's beliefs have inconvenienced him quite a bit i.e. his intentions are noble but, it seems, he finds the various corollaries of his own ideas hard to digest. Sic vita est.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 7:26 amWell the convenience of a belief to the believer doesn't disprove it. Belief X could be true and some of the people who believe it find it convenient. And people with power likely believe some things that are both true and convenient for them.Agent Smith wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 5:39 pmInteresting.Dattaswami's little hypothesis is shot to pieces, blown clean out of the water.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 4:13 pm It serves power. If you are poor, it is justified. If you are rich, it is justified. If you suffer abuse, ultimately it is your own fault. This has benefits for people with power and they will be pleased with this idea and allow it to propagate and also they will spread it themselves.
I just think it's plain old wrong and convenient. But proving that version of Karma is true or false is not easy. How does one demonstrate the past life innocent of guilt of someone? And then past lives are hard enough already to demonstrate, though there's much more evidence than the skeptics realize. But it's far from demonstrated.
I don't know what his intentions are, even if the thoughts in his head about his intentions are noble, and I don't even know if that is true. A lot of gurus have similar spiritual and philosophical positions to DS...and at the same time messed around with all sorts of mean-spirited ashram politics and shenanigans that would make the worst high school look like a loving community...let alone sexual abuse and more.Agent Smith wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 9:37 am To be fair Dattaswami's beliefs have inconvenienced him quite a bit i.e. his intentions are noble but, it seems, he finds the various corollaries of his own ideas hard to digest. Sic vita est.
We need to be more imaginative; not that we aren't but, clearly, the ideas in circulation are not up to the mark.