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What's your real motive, Maia?Maia wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:01 amAn individual is created when the egg is fertilised and the genetic information is assembled. There is no dividing line after that, as it's all a continuum.
Maybe, maybe not. I kind of hesitate to think I was there at the zygote stage. I definitely don't recall anything from that stage. I definitely don't think it's murder at the zygote stage.Maia wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:01 amAn individual is created when the egg is fertilised and the genetic information is assembled. There is no dividing line after that, as it's all a continuum.
Other than what I've already stated, quite plainly, you mean?vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:05 amWhat's your real motive, Maia?
Do you recall anything as a baby? Do you even recall very much as a four-year-old? Memory develops, as we grow.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:06 amMaybe, maybe not. I kind of hesitate to think I was there at the zygote stage. I definitely don't recall anything from that stage. I definitely don't think it's murder at the zygote stage.
Give me a break. As if you give a fuck about other people's zygotes.Maia wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:07 amOther than what I've already stated, quite plainly, you mean?
Are you saying you would hesitate to call aborting a four-year-old "murder"? Or am I misunderstanding your post?Maia wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:09 amDo you recall anything as a baby? Do you even recall very much as a four-year-old? Memory develops, as we grow.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:06 amMaybe, maybe not. I kind of hesitate to think I was there at the zygote stage. I definitely don't recall anything from that stage. I definitely don't think it's murder at the zygote stage.
I would hesitate to call it murder too, at that stage.
Or are you saying you would hesitate to call aborting a zygote "murder"?Maia wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:09 amDo you recall anything as a baby? Do you even recall very much as a four-year-old? Memory develops, as we grow.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:06 amMaybe, maybe not. I kind of hesitate to think I was there at the zygote stage. I definitely don't recall anything from that stage. I definitely don't think it's murder at the zygote stage.
I would hesitate to call it murder too, at that stage.
A zygote.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:17 amAre you saying you would hesitate to call aborting a four-year-old "murder"? Or am I misunderstanding your post?Maia wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:09 amDo you recall anything as a baby? Do you even recall very much as a four-year-old? Memory develops, as we grow.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:06 am
Maybe, maybe not. I kind of hesitate to think I was there at the zygote stage. I definitely don't recall anything from that stage. I definitely don't think it's murder at the zygote stage.
I would hesitate to call it murder too, at that stage.
OK. So you agree with me that at the zygote stage a person is probably not here yet?Maia wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:19 amA zygote.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:17 amAre you saying you would hesitate to call aborting a four-year-old "murder"? Or am I misunderstanding your post?
No, I didn't say that. My point is that I don't think abortion should be treated as murder. Not at that stage, anyway. Maybe not at all.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:23 amOK. So you agree with me that at the zygote stage a person is probably not here yet?Maia wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:19 amA zygote.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:17 am
Are you saying you would hesitate to call aborting a four-year-old "murder"? Or am I misunderstanding your post?
You do realise that all kinds of women have abortions don't you? Even fine, upstanding, married kristian women. Again, it's none of your business. Keep abstaining for the rest of your life. That's the 'responsible' option, since 'no contraception is 100 percent reliable'. People are complex-- not black and white cardboard cutouts.Maia wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:27 amNo, I didn't say that. My point is that I don't think abortion should be treated as murder. Not at that stage, anyway. Maybe not at all.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:23 amOK. So you agree with me that at the zygote stage a person is probably not here yet?
The solution, as I said earlier, is societal change, and instilling a sense of responsibility. It's no accident that our society is falling apart, when life is so cheap.
I'm confused. You say you don't think abortion is "murder" at that stage, which is what I was saying, but you aren't agreeing with what I was saying?Maia wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:27 amNo, I didn't say that. My point is that I don't think abortion should be treated as murder. Not at that stage, anyway. Maybe not at all.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:23 amOK. So you agree with me that at the zygote stage a person is probably not here yet?
The solution, as I said earlier, is societal change, and instilling a sense of responsibility. It's no accident that our society is falling apart, when life is so cheap.
Killing people is everyone's business.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:32 amYou do realise that all kinds of women have abortions don't you? Even fine, upstanding, married kristian women. Again, it's none of your business. Keep abstaining for the rest of your life. That's the 'responsible' option, since 'no contraception is 100 percent reliable'. People are complex-- not black and white cardboard cutouts.Maia wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:27 amNo, I didn't say that. My point is that I don't think abortion should be treated as murder. Not at that stage, anyway. Maybe not at all.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:23 am
OK. So you agree with me that at the zygote stage a person is probably not here yet?
The solution, as I said earlier, is societal change, and instilling a sense of responsibility. It's no accident that our society is falling apart, when life is so cheap.
I actually said "treated as murder" which I hope you can appreciate a subtle difference about.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:34 amI'm confused. You say you don't think abortion is "murder" at that stage, which is what I was saying, but you aren't agreeing with what I was saying?Maia wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:27 amNo, I didn't say that. My point is that I don't think abortion should be treated as murder. Not at that stage, anyway. Maybe not at all.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:23 am
OK. So you agree with me that at the zygote stage a person is probably not here yet?
The solution, as I said earlier, is societal change, and instilling a sense of responsibility. It's no accident that our society is falling apart, when life is so cheap.
Poor frustrated creature. Must be weird to be a virgin at your age.Maia wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:35 amKilling people is everyone's business.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:32 amYou do realise that all kinds of women have abortions don't you? Even fine, upstanding, married kristian women. Again, it's none of your business. Keep abstaining for the rest of your life. That's the 'responsible' option, since 'no contraception is 100 percent reliable'. People are complex-- not black and white cardboard cutouts.Maia wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:27 am
No, I didn't say that. My point is that I don't think abortion should be treated as murder. Not at that stage, anyway. Maybe not at all.
The solution, as I said earlier, is societal change, and instilling a sense of responsibility. It's no accident that our society is falling apart, when life is so cheap.