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Re: Deism
Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 12:01 pm
by Skepdick
henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 12:00 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 11:55 amAll them moral obligations are getting in my freedom's way...
Pray tell.
What needs telling?
Morality undermines freedom because morality imposes limits on freedom.
freedom /ˈfriːdəm/ noun 1. the power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants.
Can't go randomly murdering people just because you want to...
Re: Deism
Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 1:07 pm
by henry quirk
Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 12:01 pmMorality undermines freedom because morality imposes limits on freedom.
Yep, recognizing and respecting the other guy's claim to his life, liberty, and property can be a pain in the keister. I guess that's why so many don't (while assertin', and defendin', their own).
Re: Deism
Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 1:09 pm
by Skepdick
henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 1:07 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 12:01 pmMorality undermines freedom because morality imposes limits on freedom.
Yep, recognizing and respecting the other guy's claim to his life, liberty, and property can be a pain in the keister. I guess that's why so many don't (while assertin', and defendin', their own).
There must be a reason why you are moving on from the point.
Is it because you agree that you declare yourself to be what you ain't? Free.
Re: Deism
Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 1:27 pm
by henry quirk
Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 1:09 pmIs it because you agree that you would've been free, but for morality?
As I say:
recognizing and respecting the other guy's claim to his life, liberty, and property can be a pain in the keister.
Re: Deism
Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 1:32 pm
by Skepdick
henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 1:27 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 1:09 pmIs it because you agree that you would've been free, but for morality?
As I say:
recognizing and respecting the other guy's claim to his life, liberty, and property can be a pain in the keister.
It's not a pain in the keister.
It just undermines your claim to being free.
Re: Deism
Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 1:36 pm
by henry quirk
Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 1:32 pm
henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 1:27 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 1:09 pmIs it because you agree that you would've been free, but for morality?
As I say:
recognizing and respecting the other guy's claim to his life, liberty, and property can be a pain in the keister.
It's not a pain in the keister.
It's a pain in the freedom.
comme ci comme ca
Re: Deism
Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 1:47 pm
by FlashDangerpants
henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 11:36 am
The exact same way that some people know they were born in a body with the wrong sex and that their gender is discontinuous with that biology. The reasoning is identical and that is why Henry is so well known for his openness to that sort of thing.
The
difference, of course, is: every one who has ever lived, every one who lives, and every one who will live, knows, down in his bones, his life, liberty, and property is his alone; only a select few fetishists go hog wild and declare themselves to be what they ain't.
It's reality vs nutjobbery.
The knowing thing is the only reason you have for it being true that everyone is free and self owning. It becomes true after all the knowings happen, and the knowings can only happen because it is true.
Circular shit Henry.
Re: Deism
Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 2:01 pm
by henry quirk
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Re: Deism
Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 2:06 pm
by Skepdick
Do you seriously expect more from theory-ladden qualitative language? What universe do you come from?