Ukraine Crisis

[commonsense]

It is wrong to blame the Left or Right for a war that Putin started.

But people with a so-called "left" or "right" view or attitude will 'try to' BLAME the "other side" for just about EVERY 'thing'.

It is also wrong to propose that the US stay out of it. Every country in the free world has a stake in this, because if Putin can take what he pleases, what will stop him from inching across Europe or attacking across the Atlantic?

But what that human being known as and labeled "vladimir putin" is doing is just stopping and preventing the "other side" 'inching across "europe" and/or attacking what "vladimir putin" would call his "side".

So, if one "side" can do this, then why can the "other side" NOT do this?

But better still WHY do 'you', adult human beings, create "sides"?

Someone has to stop Putin from seizing nation upon nation throughout the free world—if not the US then who will do this?

But who is going to stop "your side" from " seizing nation upon nation throughout the 'free world' "?

And, what do the words 'free world' actually mean, or refer to, to you, EXACTLY?

Why do you imply that Putin may be preventing the other side from inching across Europe? Do you know something about US intentions in Europe that would indicate that America’s side wants to control Europe?

I agree that either side can attack the other, but I just don’t think the US has/had any plans to do so.

I agree that the humanly manufactured “sides” are problematic and probably at the root of the problem of wars and conflicts. Such tribalism is so widespread that I’d say there may be a biological basis for it.

And I agree that Leftists and Rightists will blame each other incessantly. It’s still wrong in this instance.

To me, “free world” encompasses all nations of the non-communist world.

[henry quirk]

Interfering never goes well for ANYONE.

You're right cuz, as you say...

No war has ever been for altruistic or 'humanitarian' reasons.

[henry quirk]

That explains a lot. Either autistic or aspergers. They are both a pain in the arse.

Yep.

[henry quirk]

But who is going to stop "your side" from " seizing nation upon nation throughout the 'free world' "?

If our side actually adhered to the principles it extolls, no one would have to.

But our side (the gov) is a lyin' crapsack, just one head of the Hydra.

[Age]

If you ask most, here is this forum, I am RARELY ever right, and, to some, I am NEVER right.

Your records of hits & misses is no better or worse than anyone else's, and anybody who sez different is a friggin' crapsack.

No, your one and only problem, in-forum, is you writin' like the autist you are.

Okay. And what, EXACTLY, is 'it' in my writin', like the autistic I AM, to you?

Is it the use of capital letters SOMETIMES, is it because of the WORDS I USE, is it because of what I am ACTUALLY MEANING, or is it for some other reason?

[Age]

Is there ANY 'thing' in "ukraine" that "americans" want?

Nope. And, becuz there's nuthin' the U.S. wants, Putin will eat it.

If yes, then is 'it' 'worth' "fighting for"?

Oh, absolutely. Freedom is always worth the fight.

Does ANY one else, in the Universe, SEE the absolute HYPOCRISY, and CONTRADICTION, in CLAIMING to; 'fight' for 'freedom'?

Or, is it JUST ME?

American freedom, Ukrainian freedom, Russian freedom. But freedom is not high on the agenda of any iteration of The State.

Okay.

What is the actual 'agenda' then, which 'you', adult human beings, have created "sides" over, and 'fight' for?

[Age]

It is wrong to blame the Left or Right for a war that Putin started.

But people with a so-called "left" or "right" view or attitude will 'try to' BLAME the "other side" for just about EVERY 'thing'.

It is also wrong to propose that the US stay out of it. Every country in the free world has a stake in this, because if Putin can take what he pleases, what will stop him from inching across Europe or attacking across the Atlantic?

But what that human being known as and labeled "vladimir putin" is doing is just stopping and preventing the "other side" 'inching across "europe" and/or attacking what "vladimir putin" would call his "side".

So, if one "side" can do this, then why can the "other side" NOT do this?

But better still WHY do 'you', adult human beings, create "sides"?

Someone has to stop Putin from seizing nation upon nation throughout the free world—if not the US then who will do this?

But who is going to stop "your side" from " seizing nation upon nation throughout the 'free world' "?

And, what do the words 'free world' actually mean, or refer to, to you, EXACTLY?

Why do you imply that Putin may be preventing the other side from inching across Europe?

What do you think or envision is the purpose "vladimar putin" wants with "ukraine"?

IF "ukraine" is taken back over, again, by "russia", then that will stop, or prevent for a while anyway, the people of "ukraine" choosing to go with "nato", which, in a sense, will prevent the "other side" inching closer towards to "russia".

Do you know something about US intentions in Europe that would indicate that America’s side wants to control Europe?

Did I even allude to absolutely ANY 'thing' like this in the ACTUAL words that I did use?

If yes, WHERE, EXACTLY?

There was NEVER even a 'thought' about what you said here, let alone me writing ANY 'thing' down about what you said here.

Here is ANOTHER GREAT EXAMPLE of just how SIMPLE and EASY ASSUMPTIONS can lead human beings completely ASTRAY. Although just about this whole forum is full of these EXAMPLES.

I agree that either side can attack the other, but I just don’t think the US has/had any plans to do so.

I do NOT recall absolutely ANY 'thing' about "attacking" in what I ACTUALLY SAID and WROTE here, previously.

I agree that the humanly manufactured “sides” are problematic and probably at the root of the problem of wars and conflicts. Such tribalism is so widespread that I’d say there may be a biological basis for it.

REALLY? Now WHY would you say 'this'?

What has LED 'you' to SAY, ' there may be a biological basis for 'tribalism' '?

If we delved into 'this' further, then we could FIND and SEE, or UNDERSTAND, what the ACTUAL Truth IS here.

And I agree that Leftists and Rightists will blame each other incessantly. It’s still wrong in this instance.

What is 'it', which, you say, is still wrong, 'in this instance', and, in what instance, would 'it' be not wrong?

To me, “free world” encompasses all nations of the non-communist world.

Okay. But to some people just 'communally living, in Peace and in Harmony, with one' is a FAR MORE 'freer world', then how 'you', adult human beings, live in the so-called "non-communist world".

Also, is NOT EVERY country, culture, society, tribe, and EVERY other smaller group, just a 'community', itself? (Where, by the way, most people AGREE and ACCEPT that it would be MUCH BETTER if EVERY one in A 'community' just got along WITH each other.)

[Age]

Interfering never goes well for ANYONE.

You're right cuz, as you say...

No war has ever been for altruistic or 'humanitarian' reasons.

And this is because who could one be 'fighting' AGAINST for such reasons?

Also, to 'fight' a 'war' for such reasons would be TOTALLY and ABSOLUTELY HYPOCRITICAL and CONTRADICTORY, and thus IMPOSSIBLE.

'Helping' AND 'supporting' absolutely EACH and EVERY 'one' is what just, NATURALLY, causes and creates an 'altruistic or humanitarian world'.

But while 'you', adult human beings, keep LOOKING AT and SEEING 'you', human beings, as "others", and as though they are on ANOTHER "side", then 'you' will keep 'fighting' and causing and creating WARS.

Also, while 'you', adult human beings, keep WANTING TO keep JUDGING, RIDICULING, and PUNISHING, other human beings, then 'you' WILL SEE "them" as "others", and so the 'fighting' AND 'wars' WILL CONTINUE, ALSO.

[Age]

That explains a lot. Either autistic or aspergers. They are both a pain in the arse.

Yep.

But absolutely NONE of 'you', people, are so-called "pain in the arses (or asses)" of "others", correct?

Because FOR SURE there is ABSOLUTELY NO evidence NOR PROOF AT ALL, which could be found within this forum, of "vegetariantaxidermy" NOR "henry quirk" being a "pain in the bum" to ANY one, correct?

It appears here that these two want to IMPLY that ONLY the NON-SANE ONES are "pains in the bums", while the "SANE ONES", like "themselves" ARE, are NOT.

But I think you two might find some will SEE otherwise.

[Age]

But who is going to stop "your side" from " seizing nation upon nation throughout the 'free world' "?

If our side actually adhered to the principles it extolls, no one would have to.

But our side (the gov) is a lyin' crapsack, just one head of the Hydra.

So, JUST MAYBE other "crackpots", (on OTHER "sides") ARE NEEDED just to keep 'you', human beings, in some sort of 'equilibrium'. That is; so 'you' do NOT wipe "your" OWN "selves", (before it is time).

From my perspective 'you' are ALL as BAD as "each other" and NOT one of YOUR, own made up, "sides" is better NOR worse than ANOTHER.

But I do tend to LOOK AT and SEE 'things' VERY DIFFERENTLY then 'you', adult human beings, DID, back in those OLDEN DAYS, when this was being written.

[henry quirk]

But absolutely NONE of 'you', people, are so-called "pain in the arses (or asses)" of "others", correct?

Oh, I'm a far bigger pain in the ass than you, and I'm crazier too.

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Okay. And what, EXACTLY, is 'it' in my writin', like the autistic I AM, to you?

Is it the use of capital letters SOMETIMES, is it because of the WORDS I USE, is it because of what I am ACTUALLY MEANING, or is it for some other reason?

This...

But I do tend to LOOK AT and SEE 'things' VERY DIFFERENTLY then 'you', adult human beings, DID, back in those OLDEN DAYS, when this was being written.

...this a good example.

[promethean75]

"Oh, I'm a far bigger pain in the ass"

What's the difference between Henry and a hemorrhoid?

If you rub cream on Henry, he doesn't go away, and becomes even worse.

[Sculptor]

"Oh, I'm a far bigger pain in the ass"

What's the difference between Henry and a hemorrhoid?

If you rub cream on Henry, he doesn't go away, and becomes even worse.

Although they are both red in the face; hemorrhoids make more sense.
Although both smell like shit, you can clean a hemorrhoid.
They are both a pain in the arse, but eventually the hemorrhoid calms down.

[henry quirk]

pro & sculpty, sittin' in a tree...

[Sculptor]

Why they ask do I not condemn Putin??
Okay I condemn Putin, I condemn anyone who takes up arms against others.
BUT
You can use empty virtue signalling to condemn Putin as much as you want - he cannot hear you and he is not listening to you.
So all thise condemning Putin - pat yourself on the back and buy yourlself a chocolate bar.
Such activity is worthless. Understanding the war should mean trying to understand all the factors and precursors that lead to the enevitable conflict, and especially to reflect on the roles of out own politicians in instigating such situations. we may not be able to influence Putin ourselves but we should be able to have some effect locally.This war did not start this week. It has been a long time coming.
NATO ought to have been abolished with the break up of the Soviet Union, instead employees of NATO have worked tirelessly to keep themselves relavant and to keep the cheques rolling in. They have worked to maintain the tension between East and West when they could so easily have been brokering better deals. Instead the West has maintained the cold war by marching their economic imperialism westwards trying to envelope Ukraine into a prospective EU state.