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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:14 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:53 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 7:29 am
A period or state of inactivity or equilibrium happens at death,

You don't know that, either. Even asking somebody who claimed to have a 'near death' experience couldn't assure us of anything, since delusions are a human possibility.

Only God could say what happens after death. Only He is free from the constraints of time and space.

Anything else would be guesses.

I'm talking about the state prior to there ever being a ''someone''
'someone' implies twoness.

Age wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 3:43 am

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:30 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 5:06 am
You have no idea what it is. Nobody really does. There are over a hundred possible definitions of the term, and no conclusive one.

So your confidence is based on nothing. "Life" remains a mystery to you.

You just hope it ends at death. But you have no idea what happens at death.

You obviously have no idea what life is, since you claim nobody does. It's a bit of hubris to assume what you are ignorant of pertains to everyone.

I at least know what I mean by the word life. I mean the attribute that differentiates living organisms from mere non-living physical entities. I identify exactly what the attributes of life are that are unique to living organisms.

Here is a PRIME EXAMPLE of when one can NOT even think for "themselves" that much, that they, in turn, can NOT even express what they think. They have to, literally, link to what ANOTHER SAYS about an idea or perspective.

Belinda wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 11:43 am

Age wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:47 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:17 pm Age wrote:



But the block universe does co-exist with beings that can "consider ALL-OF-THIS".

1. I NEVER said otherwise.

2. Is this so-called "block universe" an ACTUAL 'thing' is just an ASSUMPTION or GUESS of what COULD BE true, or something else entirely?

Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:17 pm The reason for their co-existence is that beings that can "consider ALL-OF-THIS" are limited to the phenomena that appear to us .

Who and/or what 'made up' this 'reason'?

Also, 'you', limited human beings, are NOT thee ONLY 'beings' that can exist.

Furthermore, 'your reason' here does not seem to logically follow.

How, exactly, that 'you', 'beings' are limited be the 'reason' for "their" co-existence?

Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:17 pm We are limited by birth, death and causality but the infinite universe is not limited.

Obviously. Was there a POINT in expressing this Fact?

If yes, then what was that POINT, EXACTLY?

Some people believe the block universe is thing; others don't.

For phenomenology see Husserl.

phenomenology, a philosophical movement originating in the 20th century, the primary objective of which is the direct investigation and description of phenomena as consciously experienced, without theories about their causal explanation and as free as possible from unexamined preconceptions and presuppositions.

We human beings are supposedly the only beings that can abstract to the extent we do.

Not only humans but all creatures of time, space, and force are limited by these conditions whereas the block universe is infinite.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 3:04 pm

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 3:07 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:37 pm
It's a cure for what they call "midwittery."

You recall wrong.

Actually, you furnish a case-in-point. You don't know what you've missed, obviously.

You're not a bad guy, RC, and you're moderately smart, too. But there are others who are smarter...there always are...and humility teaches us to realize that.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 3:04 pm If you knew more of the great thinking of the past, you wouldn't be nearly so confident that you are the wise man with whom wisdom itself will die.

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 4:12 pm

Age wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 3:43 am

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:30 pm
You obviously have no idea what life is, since you claim nobody does. It's a bit of hubris to assume what you are ignorant of pertains to everyone.

I at least know what I mean by the word life. I mean the attribute that differentiates living organisms from mere non-living physical entities. I identify exactly what the attributes of life are that are unique to living organisms.

Here is a PRIME EXAMPLE of when one can NOT even think for "themselves" that much, that they, in turn, can NOT even express what they think. They have to, literally, link to what ANOTHER SAYS about an idea or perspective.

Idiot! I wrote the article.

Age wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:45 pm

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 4:12 pm

Age wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 3:43 am

Here is a PRIME EXAMPLE of when one can NOT even think for "themselves" that much, that they, in turn, can NOT even express what they think. They have to, literally, link to what ANOTHER SAYS about an idea or perspective.

Idiot! I wrote the article.

Was there absolutely ANY thing stated ANYWHERE that INDICATED that 'you' wrote that article?

If yes, then WHERE, EXACTLY?

By the way, if I had KNOWN 'you' had written that article, then I would have READ IT.

Now, if you would like to go through that article, which YOU WROTE, to FIND the FALLACIES, FLAWS, and/or FAULTS, then I am more than willing to. But if you do NOT want to do this, then that is also PERFECTLY FINE with me. Either way just let us know.

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 11:13 pm

Age wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:45 pm

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 4:12 pm
Idiot! I wrote the article.

Was there absolutely ANY thing stated ANYWHERE that INDICATED that 'you' wrote that article?

If yes, then WHERE, EXACTLY?

By the way, if I had KNOWN 'you' had written that article, then I would have READ IT.

Now, if you would like to go through that article, which YOU WROTE, to FIND the FALLACIES, FLAWS, and/or FAULTS, then I am more than willing to. But if you do NOT want to do this, then that is also PERFECTLY FINE with me. Either way just let us know.

Since you didn't know, to just assume my ideas came from someone else was wrong.

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 11:13 pm I'm not interested in any more of your wrong assumptions.

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 11:13 pm Read the article and learn something.

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 11:13 pm I don't care if you agree with it or not.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 3:06 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:14 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:53 pm
You don't know that, either. Even asking somebody who claimed to have a 'near death' experience couldn't assure us of anything, since delusions are a human possibility.

Only God could say what happens after death. Only He is free from the constraints of time and space.

Anything else would be guesses.

I'm talking about the state prior to there ever being a ''someone''
'someone' implies twoness.

You may indeed be "talking about" that. I'm not.

So you can have that conversation with anybody who has time for it.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 5:06 am "Life" remains a mystery to you.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 5:06 amYou just hope it ends at death. But you have no idea what happens at death.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 3:06 pm
You may indeed be "talking about" that. I'm not.

So you can have that conversation with anybody who has time for it.

Age wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:35 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 11:43 am

Age wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:47 pm

1. I NEVER said otherwise.

2. Is this so-called "block universe" an ACTUAL 'thing' is just an ASSUMPTION or GUESS of what COULD BE true, or something else entirely?


Who and/or what 'made up' this 'reason'?

Also, 'you', limited human beings, are NOT thee ONLY 'beings' that can exist.

Furthermore, 'your reason' here does not seem to logically follow.

How, exactly, that 'you', 'beings' are limited be the 'reason' for "their" co-existence?


Obviously. Was there a POINT in expressing this Fact?

If yes, then what was that POINT, EXACTLY?

Some people believe the block universe is thing; others don't.

For phenomenology see Husserl.

phenomenology, a philosophical movement originating in the 20th century, the primary objective of which is the direct investigation and description of phenomena as consciously experienced, without theories about their causal explanation and as free as possible from unexamined preconceptions and presuppositions.

We human beings are supposedly the only beings that can abstract to the extent we do.

Not only humans but all creatures of time, space, and force are limited by these conditions whereas the block universe is infinite.

What is this so-called 'block universe' of which you speak of here?

In other words, How does the 'block universe' DIFFER from the thee One and ONLY 'Universe', Itself?

Belinda wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:29 pm

Age wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:35 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 11:43 am
Some people believe the block universe is thing; others don't.

For phenomenology see Husserl.


We human beings are supposedly the only beings that can abstract to the extent we do.

Not only humans but all creatures of time, space, and force are limited by these conditions whereas the block universe is infinite.

What is this so-called 'block universe' of which you speak of here?

In other words, How does the 'block universe' DIFFER from the thee One and ONLY 'Universe', Itself?

Some people think the one and only universe itself is temporal and only temporal, whereas the block universe is not temporal but is both infinite and eternal. I say
"eternal" and while aware of the word's supernatural connotation I don't imply supernatural.

By "temporal" I imply sequential time .

Age wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 12:45 am

Belinda wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:29 pm

Age wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:35 pm

What is this so-called 'block universe' of which you speak of here?

In other words, How does the 'block universe' DIFFER from the thee One and ONLY 'Universe', Itself?

Some people think the one and only universe itself is temporal and only temporal, whereas the block universe is not temporal but is both infinite and eternal. I say
"eternal" and while aware of the word's supernatural connotation I don't imply supernatural.

By "temporal" I imply sequential time .

When people talk of or about 'supernatural' what is the 'connotation' they have with that word?

To me, thee One and ONLY Universe IS 'infinite', spatially, and 'eternal', temporally. And, there is NO other ACTUAL way that this could be different.

This also has already been, can be, and WILL BE, PROVED IRREFUTABLY True, Right, Accurate, AND Correct.

And, as long as we keep on that SAME TRACK we are NOT MISSING THE MARK.

By 'temporally' I mean ALWAYS CHANGING, which creates an APPEARANCE of what a LOT of 'you', adult human beings, think of as 'time'.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:31 am I find myself forgetting many things, places I've been, things I've done, people I've known. What happens when I completely forget everything? What happens when I die? If there is being after death, then what could/would it be like without any memories or sensory experience?