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Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 7:24 pm

Advocate wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 7:09 pm We Always change. What's in the middle of that experience is it's continuity. Remove the continuity and self becomes meaningless. Ever see the people who can't remember more than 5 second? They have no meaningful self.

If your experiences were continuous you'd be able to account for every single second of your being in the last 7 days.

You can't. Because your brain does regular garbage collection. For good reasons.

All experiences cannot be observed, yet experience as observed is continually changing to another experience.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 5:21 pm

Advocate wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 4:35 am We are the continuity of our experience.

Do we ever change? Do we ever move beyond (rise above) our experience? Do we evolve our sense of self?

If so, what is the consistent identity?

The consistency of identity is found in replicable (circulating) actions and dually with the self acting as the point of change. The "I" always points to another phenomenon, with this pointing being the act of change. "I" is change in one respect and circularity (as the repetition of one phenomenon across multiple times/spaces) in another.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 11:23 pm

Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 5:17 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:31 am Identity is action, that which moves is that which is defined. We are our actions.

So, identity can be fake... because actions can certainly be fake. Yes?

A faked action is still an action, at most identity cannot be original thus fragmented. So to answer your question from another angle, yes identity can be fragmented and unoriginal.

So is identity an illusion?

Lacewing wrote: ↑Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:28 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 11:23 pm

Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 5:17 pm
So, identity can be fake... because actions can certainly be fake. Yes?

A faked action is still an action, at most identity cannot be original thus fragmented. So to answer your question from another angle, yes identity can be fragmented and unoriginal.

So is identity an illusion?

I certainly don't think it is. Although, I know you're not asking me.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 10:03 pm You said it, not me.

I said "I".
You said "me".

Q.E.D

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Mar 24, 2021 6:14 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 10:03 pm You said it, not me.

I said "I".
You said "me".

Q.E.D

Sounds splentacular. Who's on first.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:09 am

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Mar 24, 2021 6:14 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 10:03 pm You said it, not me.

I said "I".
You said "me".

Q.E.D

Sounds splentacular. Who's on first.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kTcRRaXV-fg

Lacewing wrote: ↑Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:28 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 11:23 pm

Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 5:17 pm
So, identity can be fake... because actions can certainly be fake. Yes?

A faked action is still an action, at most identity cannot be original thus fragmented. So to answer your question from another angle, yes identity can be fragmented and unoriginal.

So is identity an illusion?

If it strayed from the original source, yes.

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Identity is the story we tell ourselves about who we are in relation to our circumstances.

Advocate wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:48 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:46 pm

Lacewing wrote: ↑Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:28 am
So is identity an illusion?

If it strayed from the original source, yes.

Identity is the story we tell ourselves about who we are in relation to our circumstances.

A fair assessment, indeed.

As such the story can be fictional, but the story teller will always know this.

Advocate wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:48 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:46 pm

Lacewing wrote: ↑Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:28 am So is identity an illusion?

If it strayed from the original source, yes.

Identity is the story we tell ourselves about who we are in relation to our circumstances.

Yet the story is identified as itself. We are what we relate too.

And also by what relates to US.