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Believing it's possible that it will be found is different than believing that it will be found.Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:48 pmOn what evidence (none whatsoever!) do you believe that evidence WILL be found?Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:47 pm Because it's possible that it will be found. One's belief could turn out to be wrong.
What sort of consequence of a needle do you expect to find in a haystack?Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:48 pm If the evidence is the needle, no difference. If the evidence is a consequence of it, then it's finding something connected to it instead.
The word "possible" is a red herring.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:48 pm Believing it's possible that it will be found is different than believing that it will be found.
None. I'm not talking just about a needle in a haystack.Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:48 pmWhat sort of consequence of a needle do you expect to find in a haystack?Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:48 pm If the evidence is the needle, no difference. If the evidence is a consequence of it, then it's finding something connected to it instead.
Why would it be a red herring?Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:49 pmThe word "possible" is a red herring.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:48 pm Believing it's possible that it will be found is different than believing that it will be found.
Try again.
You are lying. The conversation is ONLY about the scenario which both of us have agreed to.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:49 pm None. I'm not talking just about a needle in a haystack.
lol from the person always talking about charity. Be serious or I'm not bothering with this any longer.Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:50 pmYou are lyingTerrapin Station wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:49 pm None. I'm not talking just about a needle in a haystack.
It's incredibly uncharitable to shift the goal posts.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:51 pm lol from the person always talking about charity. Be serious or I'm not bothering with this any longer.
How is it shifting goalposts?Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:52 pmIt's incredibly uncharitable to shift the goal posts.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:51 pm lol from the person always talking about charity. Be serious or I'm not bothering with this any longer.
Bow out, like the bullshitter you are. Same as all Philosophers.
Attempting to re-frame the discussion from the particular to the general.
Looks like you are keeping your gold medal.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:59 pm Talking about possibility is shifting it from particular to general?
Ah-- I missed a post; I wasn't even reading what you were quoting. Why didn't you answer why "possible" would be a red herring? That's what I thought your replies were addressing.Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:00 pmLooks like you are keeping your gold medal.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:59 pm Talking about possibility is shifting it from particular to general?
It's a thought experiment about predicting one's own behaviour.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:06 pm Re saying that I'm lying about not just talking about a needle in a haystack--so you think I was literally just talking about that instead of taking it to just be an example?
If you wanted to just talk about literal needles in haystacks for some reason then sure, I misread that. If we're literally talking about needles in haystacks then I don't care either way. Couldn't care less if there's a needle in it, I'm not going to be looking for one, etc.