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Walker wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:05 am Deception is also characteristic of Leftists.

But not the right?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:20 pm when you destroy the mechanisms of transparency in order to get a win, when you approve vandalism and violence in order to take political advantage, when you flout the rule of law, undermine civil authority, speak falsehoods and cover up corruption in order to keep power, what you really do is prepare the knife for your own back.

You're describing Republican agendas, yes?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:20 pmSo I would think that this is a truly pyrrhic victory. I believe time will shortly reveal how utterly mad and short-sighted the "winners" have been. But there will be no recourse for them, because they've already destroyed the laws and procedures that otherwise might have protected them.

And this describes Trump's election into office, and the fervor of many of his most blindly led followers, yes?

You describe it well, although trying to project it onto "other".

How could a violent mob manage to get past Security? There must be an inquiry into who was in charge of security. This was the USA, not some Balkan disaster!

Lacewing wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:58 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:05 am Deception is also characteristic of Leftists.

But not the right?

Interesting response.

I'd be curious to hear your ruminations over this short clip from yesterday.

Not looking to discuss or debate, just interested in your judgments of this, if any.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFJHWHmiEiA

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:20 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:28 pm ...and, in the end, the results were still certified in the houseplant's favor

Well, here's the thing: when you destroy the mechanisms of transparency in order to get a win, when you approve vandalism and violence in order to take political advantage, when you flout the rule of law, undermine civil authority, speak falsehoods and cover up corruption in order to keep power, what you really do is prepare the knife for your own back. For behind you, in your own ranks and where you are not looking, are other people with other agendas; and you've now formed the mechanisms they will use when they want to supplant you and take the agenda their way.

So I would think that this is a truly pyrrhic victory. I believe time will shortly reveal how utterly mad and short-sighted the "winners" have been. But there will be no recourse for them, because they've already destroyed the laws and procedures that otherwise might have protected them.

oh, the certification of the houseplant is no victory...it's just part of settin' the stage for the dissolution I talked about

up-thread, I wrote about how one side won nuthin' and the other won everything...now, while I still believe what happened yesterday was bone-headed, I've come to see the possible silver-linin', that bein' a buncha folks who didn't quite get it, now understand free men can't play the game the same way as the slavers, can't expect deferential treatment from slaver propagandists, can't expect redress from slavers

at this point, it's irrelevant who exactly the wash. rioters were (ORANGE MAN folks or masqueraders); today's nearly universal condemnation of the rioters, ORANGE MAN, and pretty much anyone who has anything even approachin' a favorable view of the guy, I hope, is rammin' the message home: protestin', votin', arbitration, accommodation, compromise, appeasement and riotin' will not move the slaver...the slaver currently owns all that

and that leaves...?

(I got a cookie for whoever chimes in with the right answer)

henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:52 pm and that leaves...?

(I got a cookie for whoever chimes in with the right answer)

Fascist helicopter rides time?

henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:52 pm (I got a cookie for whoever chimes in with the right answer)

I suspect it's far worse than you say, Henry. Sorry to say it, but it is.

The forces behind this do not yet have what they want. This is step one, not the endgame.

So what can you do? Pray.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:55 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:52 pm and that leaves...?

(I got a cookie for whoever chimes in with the right answer)

Fascist helicopter rides time?

nah, those are for commies

for slavers: just a bullet

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:19 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:52 pm (I got a cookie for whoever chimes in with the right answer)

I suspect it's far worse than you say, Henry. Sorry to say it, but it is.

The forces behind this do not yet have what they want. This is step one, not the endgame.

So what can you do? Pray.

hey, I thought I was *clear: all of us -- slaver and free man -- we're just gettin' out of the gate

endgame? shit...not even close

as for prayin': always a good idea

but: I was thinkin' of sumthin' a bit more temporal (and I spilled the beans with flash, so, there you have it)







*sometime I'm not, I know...I shorthand too much and have higher expectations of the reader than I ought to...explain too little, get idiosyncratic with words...over at the cellar I'm told I'm cagey

lordy, I'm bone-headed...before the bullet there's another step, a formality really

civil disobedience

no, I will not comply comes first, then -- when the issue is forced -- open the 4th box

How is Trump responsible for the actions of anyone else?
Did anyone blame Hillbitchface for all the rioting after the previous election?

Am I missing something?

This is all terribly embarrassing, and I'm not even American.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:55 pm lordy, I'm bone-headed...before the bullet there's another step, a formality really

civil disobedience

no, I will not comply comes first, then -- when the issue is forced -- open the 4th box

I don't know bout you Henry but I was only Republican because it was the alternative to the statist slavery party now called Democrats. Now that Republican party has devolved from the party of the weak and stupid into the party of the weak, stupid corrupt, and sleazy. I need a now political party to support. I read Sarah Palin saying that America needs a new third party. I hope Trump agrees to front a third party called the MAGA party with a platform supporting American principles and values essential for liberty and to make America great again

Nick_A wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:26 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:55 pm lordy, I'm bone-headed...before the bullet there's another step, a formality really

civil disobedience

no, I will not comply comes first, then -- when the issue is forced -- open the 4th box

I don't know bout you Henry but I was only Republican because it was the alternative to the statist slavery party now called Democrats. Now that Republican party has devolved from the party of the weak and stupid into the party of the weak, stupid corrupt, and sleazy. I need a now political party to support. I read Sarah Palin saying that America needs a new third party. I hope Trump agrees to front a third party called the MAGA party with a platform supporting American principles and values essential for liberty and to make America great again

If he did that then it would split the Republican vote and the Democrats would keep getting in. I think the Republicans would have him as their candidate at the next election to prevent that from happening (if he's still around).

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:27 pm more antifa false flag protesters...
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Jeff Daniels, right?

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:09 pm How is Trump responsible for the actions of anyone else?
Did anyone blame Hillbitchface for all the rioting after the previous election?

Am I missing something?

This is all terribly embarrassing, and I'm not even American.

he's not, and his detractors know he's not, but detractors gonna detract

no, she skated on a whole buncha stuff

nope, you ain't missin' nuthin

it is embarrassin', yes

Nick_A wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:26 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:55 pm lordy, I'm bone-headed...before the bullet there's another step, a formality really

civil disobedience

no, I will not comply comes first, then -- when the issue is forced -- open the 4th box

I don't know bout you Henry but I was only Republican because it was the alternative to the statist slavery party now called Democrats. Now that Republican party has devolved from the party of the weak and stupid into the party of the weak, stupid corrupt, and sleazy. I need a now political party to support. I read Sarah Palin saying that America needs a new third party. I hope Trump agrees to front a third party called the MAGA party with a platform supporting American principles and values essential for liberty and to make America great again

I'm registered as no party

I think, in the comin' days, party will mean very littie