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It's not acceptable when the insulted cannot answer to the same audience because of censorship, which doesn't mean a brief, slanted retraction buried somewhere in the NY Times.DO you think telling political lies, slander, false accusations and insults towards your political opponants are acceptible?
Government schools that indoctrinate rather than educate are responsible for such danger. Fresh young faces are being released into the wild ill-prepared to defend themselves against propaganda.These delusions account for millions of suseptible Americans, who not only are a danger to themselves but a danger to everyone they meet.
Defend themselves? Of course not.
What is the benefit to Socrates of insisting on the examination of ideas? What does Schopenhauer get out of characterizing the phenomenal world as the product of a blind and insatiable metaphysical will? How have they co-ordinated and slanted these communications to persuade the public to do what for them?Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 10:24 am [Skip: propaganda means (explicitly, not implicitly) a deliberate, co-ordinated campaign of transmitting information to an audience, where the information is selected, organized, slanted, distorted, falsified, emotionally weighted, packaged and presented in such a way as to persuade the audience of a belief favourable to interests of the purveyor]
So... you have described any philosophy.
Partly.Humans communicate using language.
No. It's fundamentally about using verbal symbols to represent persons, locations, things, actions, events and ideas.Language is incomplete and is fundamentally about compression and omission
Show me how in the following examples I attempt to persuade whom to do what for me:"importance" is always slanted, distorted and emotionally weighted.
Or maybe a function of function. If the question was "Which of these toys are balls?", it wouldn't be useful to the interlocutor (possibly someone who is uncertain of English) to tell him everything about oceanography. If he waved "Hi!", he's not asking for a lecture on graphite production; he only wants a return greeting.The truth which you've chosen to include at the expense of the truth which you've chosen to omit is always amplified through your own volition.
Because you seem unclear on the concept.[ British war-time propaganda can be considered "positive" - is still propaganda.
[ intellectual output of Nietzsche is not propaganda even though parts ...could be used in a propaganda campaign.]
Why do you draw this distinction?
He wasn't trying to lead Germany to war, i don't think.Are you suggesting that Nietzsche had no goal/intent in producing intellectual output?
Yes. I think he tried his damnedest to minimize distortion, but didn't much care who believed him.You seem to be suggesting that Nietzsche wasn't "deliberately, transmitting information to an audience, where the information is selected, organized, slanted, distorted, falsified, emotionally weighted and presented in such a way as to persuade the audience of a belief favourable to the interests of the purveyor"?
No. I attributed more honourable motives to his writing than you do.You've robbed Nietzsche of his volition.
"Same truth" = what they agree on, yes?
I had said this:henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:46 amwhat?
I guess you see the freedom to degrade this forum as more important than truth -- since you use the forum as a personal "my space page" for excessively blasting the distorted propaganda you are intoxicated with, rather than engaging in philosophical discussion.it's astounding how much crap some people are believing and repeating... often echoing the SAME EXACT PHRASES as if they're completely brainwashed or hypnotized, and as if they're incapable of questioning or perceiving anything for themselves in broader terms.
Unfortunately, this forum has been degraded by volumes of it.
Thank you, DD, for being charitable. I wish I had expressed as the OP as you have done here.DanDare wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:05 amThis is certainly so. Looking at the Brittanica description:Skip wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:13 pmInsufficient. There all kinds of lies. Propaganda is a very particular kind of communication package - not necessarily or exclusively lies - aimed at a specific audience for a specific purpose.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/propaganda
Before you can study a phenomenon to useful effect, you must first understand what it is. Before you can counteract it, you must understand how it works.Being charitable, I read into the OP's question as being how to avoid being influenced, and avoid having whole communities influenced, by propaganda that leads to false foundations for action, and to not be perturbed by that propaganda that is more benign or even beneficial.Propaganda, dissemination of information—facts, arguments, rumours, half-truths, or lies—to influence public opinion.
Well said.Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:46 pm"Same truth" = what they agree on, yes?
Of course people tend to feel validated and empowered by jumping on bandwagons (large or small) that inspire or align with their own thinking. As if the more people who believe something, the more it must surely be true. But clearly, herd mentality is full of falseness -- and the larger the herd, the greater the control to manipulate and distort and to follow/support blindly without thinking beyond it.
Those who habitually peddle herd misinformation are pawns of, and for, such ignorance, as well as being in service to their own egos/identities by demonstrating that they believe themselves to be exceptionally gifted in distinguishing "truth" as it applies to all. Yet, their skewed and limited sight/thinking is obvious (to those not similarly intoxicated) as is their desperately childish posturing with threats (whether with rage or guns or religion, etc.).
I guess you find freedom degradin'...'splains a lotLacewing wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 8:05 pmI had said this:I guess you see the freedom to degrade this forum as more important than truth -- since you use the forum as a personal "my space page" for excessively blasting the distorted propaganda you are intoxicated with, rather than engaging in philosophical discussion.it's astounding how much crap some people are believing and repeating... often echoing the SAME EXACT PHRASES as if they're completely brainwashed or hypnotized, and as if they're incapable of questioning or perceiving anything for themselves in broader terms.
Unfortunately, this forum has been degraded by volumes of it.
Not sure what, "acceptable," means. Those the slander and false accusations and insults are about certainly won't, "accept," them, and those who use such tactics are ignorant ignorant and evile. But they are only words. No one has to listen to them. It would be wrong to use force to prevent anyone from saying anything. Who decides which words are, "acceptible?" and which accusation are false, slander, or lies? If those with the power to regulate speech decide yours are lies, slander, false, or insulting, is that OK with you?
I never said, nor do I believe, any such thing. Again, you distort and misrepresent truth.henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 1:16 amI guess you find freedom degradin'...'splains a lotLacewing wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 8:05 pm I guess you see the freedom to degrade this forum as more important than truth -- since you use the forum as a personal "my space page" for excessively blasting the distorted propaganda you are intoxicated with, rather than engaging in philosophical discussion.
