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I don’t like Trump because, on the whole, I don’t like his policies.

I don’t like his immigration policy because its implementation is inhumane.

I don’t like his global warming policy because it favors corporations over the environment.

I don’t like his economic policies because I am not in the 1%.

I don’t like his stand on gun control because I abhor violence.

I don’t like his attitude toward Covid 19 because its dangerous.

I don’t like his stand on bigotry because I am not a Nazi.

I don’t like his perspective on women because it’s disrespectful to human beings.

I don’t like his stand on the election process because it’s gerrymandered.

I don’t like Trump himself because, on the whole, I’m a decent person.

commonsense wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:55 pm ...

Beautifully said! I am in complete agreement, for myself.

Dubious wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:37 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:23 pm

Dubious wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:50 am

You are truly one incredible idiot. For one thing I didn't mention any guys. Tell me which "guy" I mentioned. As for Rome going up and down, how bloody insightful! In history everything goes up and down. Even going down may have its ups though the trend is down. As for Augustus and Hadrian we're talking about the end, not the beginning and the middle. It was already in the 4th century when the rot set in and in the 5th when the collapse finally took place. During those periods name one outstanding ruler - with the possible exception of Constantine - in that entire list! Of course that wasn't the sole cause of Rome's degeneration but it sure added to it. And you accuse me of a bad understanding of history! This from a brain which regards intelligence as a virus to be exterminated.

Moron.
The entire history of imperial Rome is characterised by what you like to call "incompetent half-insane emperors".
When it finally collapsed it had almost nothing to do with that fact. Rome ran despite its emperors.
You remain ignorant of history.

No, I was NOT referring to the entire history of Rome, as was made clear, but to the decline and fall of the Roman Empire as generally described. Believe it or not there were actually a lot of volumes written on the subject especially concentrating on the forth century as the period when Rome's infrastructures started to crumble. Instead, because you were looking for trouble - or not mentally capable of digesting a simple paragraph - referred to the beginning and middle of the Roman Empire when it was at its max...a completely different story!

This is what I wrote...

As in ancient Rome, which could easily survive a succession of incompetent half-insane emperors, but once the rot set in nothing could stop it from degenerating.

...which has been described by historians innumerable times. I didn't make it up.

Also, I'll never forget when you claimed that Mozart was a "chintzy composer" making comparisons to periods in which he wasn't alive to composers with radically different styles then claiming others are ignorant of history, as you so often do. What a masterpiece of irony!

Though one forgets allot of the stupid things people say this one was unforgettable proving, as proven so often, how much you REALLY know of history.

I have a BA in ancient history and archaeology, and a Masters in Intellectual History.
I find that most people who've not really studied it tends to make stupid comments, as you did.
Don't worry - you are in the majority. Just like all the lovers of McDonald's and other Trumpers.

Stay away from my posts. As far as I'm concerned, the world is made filthy by an abundance of loathsome little turds like you.

Face it - you made a stupid and ignorant comment.
Insulting me is not going to change that.
You are just not thinking very clearly, as usual.

commonsense wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 2:43 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:57 am
Steven Pinker has a pretty good grasp of what PC means
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNWcDXE5POU

as does Stephen Fry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPEHbJgomgA

Thanks, Veg, for providing these links, as well as the other links in a subsequent post of yours.

My mindset has been stuck with the PC of the 60’s. Even though well intentioned then, the movement has gone overboard since.

As a matter of fact the anti war movement was a good example of PC hypocrisy. What happened to all those 'peace and love' hippies? They became the military worshipping, warmongering Americans we know and 'love' today. Some might have been genuine, but on the whole most were just along for the fashionable ride.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:47 pm

Dubious wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:37 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:23 pm
Moron.
The entire history of imperial Rome is characterised by what you like to call "incompetent half-insane emperors".
When it finally collapsed it had almost nothing to do with that fact. Rome ran despite its emperors.
You remain ignorant of history.

No, I was NOT referring to the entire history of Rome, as was made clear, but to the decline and fall of the Roman Empire as generally described. Believe it or not there were actually a lot of volumes written on the subject especially concentrating on the forth century as the period when Rome's infrastructures started to crumble. Instead, because you were looking for trouble - or not mentally capable of digesting a simple paragraph - referred to the beginning and middle of the Roman Empire when it was at its max...a completely different story!

This is what I wrote...

As in ancient Rome, which could easily survive a succession of incompetent half-insane emperors, but once the rot set in nothing could stop it from degenerating.

...which has been described by historians innumerable times. I didn't make it up.

Also, I'll never forget when you claimed that Mozart was a "chintzy composer" making comparisons to periods in which he wasn't alive to composers with radically different styles then claiming others are ignorant of history, as you so often do. What a masterpiece of irony!

Though one forgets allot of the stupid things people say this one was unforgettable proving, as proven so often, how much you REALLY know of history.

I have a BA in ancient history and archaeology, and a Masters in Intellectual History.
I find that most people who've not really studied it tends to make stupid comments, as you did.
Don't worry - you are in the majority. Just like all the lovers of McDonald's and other Trumpers.

Stay away from my posts. As far as I'm concerned, the world is made filthy by an abundance of loathsome little turds like you.

Face it - you made a stupid and ignorant comment.
Insulting me is not going to change that.
You are just not thinking very clearly, as usual.

Academic qualifications are no indicator of common sense or natural intelligence. In fact academia is full of highly qualified morons and mental defectives (not to mention out-of-touch PC fuckwits).

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:47 pm

Dubious wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:37 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:23 pm
Moron.
The entire history of imperial Rome is characterised by what you like to call "incompetent half-insane emperors".
When it finally collapsed it had almost nothing to do with that fact. Rome ran despite its emperors.
You remain ignorant of history.

No, I was NOT referring to the entire history of Rome, as was made clear, but to the decline and fall of the Roman Empire as generally described. Believe it or not there were actually a lot of volumes written on the subject especially concentrating on the forth century as the period when Rome's infrastructures started to crumble. Instead, because you were looking for trouble - or not mentally capable of digesting a simple paragraph - referred to the beginning and middle of the Roman Empire when it was at its max...a completely different story!

This is what I wrote...

As in ancient Rome, which could easily survive a succession of incompetent half-insane emperors, but once the rot set in nothing could stop it from degenerating.

...which has been described by historians innumerable times. I didn't make it up.

Also, I'll never forget when you claimed that Mozart was a "chintzy composer" making comparisons to periods in which he wasn't alive to composers with radically different styles then claiming others are ignorant of history, as you so often do. What a masterpiece of irony!

Though one forgets allot of the stupid things people say this one was unforgettable proving, as proven so often, how much you REALLY know of history.

I have a BA in ancient history and archaeology, and a Masters in Intellectual History.
I find that most people who've not really studied it tends to make stupid comments, as you did.
Don't worry - you are in the majority. Just like all the lovers of McDonald's and other Trumpers.

Stay away from my posts. As far as I'm concerned, the world is made filthy by an abundance of loathsome little turds like you.

Face it - you made a stupid and ignorant comment.
Insulting me is not going to change that.
You are just not thinking very clearly, as usual.

You're just another loathsome disgusting lying coward among so many. Unfortunately nothing will change that. If you had any balls you'd show me by quote where I made the stupid, ignorant comment but you haven't. You're just another piece of human garbage the world doesn't need but has too many of, period.

Dubious wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:57 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:47 pm

Dubious wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:37 pm

No, I was NOT referring to the entire history of Rome, as was made clear, but to the decline and fall of the Roman Empire as generally described. Believe it or not there were actually a lot of volumes written on the subject especially concentrating on the forth century as the period when Rome's infrastructures started to crumble. Instead, because you were looking for trouble - or not mentally capable of digesting a simple paragraph - referred to the beginning and middle of the Roman Empire when it was at its max...a completely different story!

This is what I wrote...

...which has been described by historians innumerable times. I didn't make it up.

Also, I'll never forget when you claimed that Mozart was a "chintzy composer" making comparisons to periods in which he wasn't alive to composers with radically different styles then claiming others are ignorant of history, as you so often do. What a masterpiece of irony!

Though one forgets allot of the stupid things people say this one was unforgettable proving, as proven so often, how much you REALLY know of history.

I have a BA in ancient history and archaeology, and a Masters in Intellectual History.
I find that most people who've not really studied it tends to make stupid comments, as you did.
Don't worry - you are in the majority. Just like all the lovers of McDonald's and other Trumpers.

Stay away from my posts. As far as I'm concerned, the world is made filthy by an abundance of loathsome little turds like you.

Face it - you made a stupid and ignorant comment.
Insulting me is not going to change that.
You are just not thinking very clearly, as usual.

You're just another loathsome disgusting lying coward among so many. Unfortunately nothing will change that. If you had any balls you'd show me by quote...

Your comment is above for all to see.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:07 pm

Dubious wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:57 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:47 pm
I have a BA in ancient history and archaeology, and a Masters in Intellectual History.
I find that most people who've not really studied it tends to make stupid comments, as you did.
Don't worry - you are in the majority. Just like all the lovers of McDonald's and other Trumpers.

Face it - you made a stupid and ignorant comment.
Insulting me is not going to change that.
You are just not thinking very clearly, as usual.

You're just another loathsome disgusting lying coward among so many. Unfortunately nothing will change that. If you had any balls you'd show me by quote...

Your comment is above for all to see.

Show me where it's for all to see. Prove how right you are and how wrong I am. You shouldn't have any problem justifying yourself in proving my ignorance if that were the case. If you can't, it only proves what a lying piece of fucking crap you are.

So, show me!

Dubious wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 11:22 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:07 pm

Dubious wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:57 pm

You're just another loathsome disgusting lying coward among so many. Unfortunately nothing will change that. If you had any balls you'd show me by quote...

Your comment is above for all to see.

Show me where it's for all to see. Prove how right you are and how wrong I am. You shouldn't have any problem justifying yourself in proving my ignorance if that were the case. If you can't, it only proves what a lying piece of fucking crap you are.

So, show me!

Do you also have anger issues?
Lock down getting under your skin?
Try Yoga, or Chi kung.
Failing that you might want to read Suetonius.

From the one who think that a degree in history makes him an 'expert' on history

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 11:33 pm

Dubious wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 11:22 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:07 pm
Your comment is above for all to see.

Show me where it's for all to see. Prove how right you are and how wrong I am. You shouldn't have any problem justifying yourself in proving my ignorance if that were the case. If you can't, it only proves what a lying piece of fucking crap you are.

So, show me!

Do you also have anger issues?
Lock down getting under your skin?
Try Yoga, or Chi kung.
Failing that you might want to read Suetonius.

What an incredibly ignorant asshole. There is no point in reading Suetonius. Does your vaunted expertise on history know why? It's because he died in 126 AD virtually at the height of Roman power and couldn't have known any of the emperors after him or what the fate of Rome would be or the factors that would cause its decline.

So you couldn't come up with a single thing I said that would prove me wrong and confirm what a wonderful grasp of history you have!

Do you have any idea why you're nothing more than a floating piece of shit in the population. It's because you never fucking learn and keep on doing the same crap over and over again. I'm beginning to believe that having a character that smells like an open sewer is exactly how you like it.

commonsense wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:55 pm I don’t like Trump because, on the whole, I don’t like his policies.

I don’t like his immigration policy because its implementation is inhumane.

I don’t like his global warming policy because it favors corporations over the environment.

I don’t like his economic policies because I am not in the 1%.

I don’t like his stand on gun control because I abhor violence.

I don’t like his attitude toward Covid 19 because its dangerous.

I don’t like his stand on bigotry because I am not a Nazi.

I don’t like his perspective on women because it’s disrespectful to human beings.

I don’t like his stand on the election process because it’s gerrymandered.

I don’t like Trump himself because, on the whole, I’m a decent person.

It is true every individual will have their personal views about something.

However for the sake of humanity, the individual must morally balance his own needs against the need for the greater good. In the process of balancing for optimality, the individual will have to sacrifice some of his personal interests.

Take an organization one works in.
Many a time the CEO is a "terrible" person [relatively] but nevertheless brings in profit [legal and decent] to the organization.
As such, many employees of the organization may not like the CEO personally due his brash, egoistic, narcissistic and some top managers may not agree with the CEO's policies. Because the CEO is not within the extreme case, employees and managers will have to sacrifice their personal needs and views and go along with the CEO driven policies.

Note Jack Welch of GE - regarded as brash, nasty, egoistic by many,

• "Welch has been described as “perhaps the most celebrated American boss of recent decades."

• Jack Welch led General Electric Co. through two decades of unparalleled growth and transformation, with a brash style that single-handedly remade the conglomerate and changed the landscape of U.S. corporations. He died Sunday at age 84.
  https://www.wsj.com/articles/jack-welch ... 1583158270

In terms of Government, note Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore who was hated my many due to the authoritarian style, restricting freedom of speech, and other negatives, but note the results that he had brought to Singapore within a short time. It is the same of Paul Kagame of Rwanda and a few others.

To be fair, you'll need to do an objective appraisal of Trump's performance for the greater good of the USA on each of the policies you brought up rather than relying solely on personal preference [which is selfish].

• "I don’t like his immigration policy because its implementation is inhumane."

There is always as trade off to the various policies.
In this case, if open border is the norm, then if there is an epidemic like now, it would be difficult to confine the epidemic at the start to National boundaries, state boundaries, district, homes, etc. and control the epidemic from such a basis.

• I don’t like his economic policies because I am not in the 1%.

Do we really know with facts that his economic policies only benefit the 1%?
What about the decreased in unemployment and other economic positives? [before the pandemic].

As I had stated, to be fair to an employee of a Government, in this case the President, we ought to do an objective performance appraisal taking into account all the relevant criteria [properly weighted] and note the resultant whether it is net-negative or net-positive.

Dubious wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:56 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 11:33 pm

Dubious wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 11:22 pm

Show me where it's for all to see. Prove how right you are and how wrong I am. You shouldn't have any problem justifying yourself in proving my ignorance if that were the case. If you can't, it only proves what a lying piece of fucking crap you are.

So, show me!

Do you also have anger issues?
Lock down getting under your skin?
Try Yoga, or Chi kung.
Failing that you might want to read Suetonius.

What an incredibly ignorant asshole. There is no point in reading Suetonius. Does your vaunted expertise on history know why? It's because he died in 126 AD virtually at the height of Roman power and couldn't have known any of the emperors after him or what the fate of Rome would be or the factors that would cause its decline.4

Suetonius demonstrates that your claim is false, since the most insane and inbred emperors such as Caligula led not to any sort of "rot" but led to an empire that went from strength to strength.
The failure and decline of Rome had nothing to do with "insane" emperors.
You might want to try GIbbon, since his analysis pointed to the adoption of Christianity as the failing of the empire, which made it ill prepared for centuries of Germanic expansion. Again very little to do with their choice of emperor.

So you couldn't come up with a single thing I said that would prove me wrong and confirm what a wonderful grasp of history you have!

Do you have any idea why you're nothing more than a floating piece of shit in the population. It's because you never fucking learn and keep on doing the same crap over and over again. I'm beginning to believe that having a character that smells like an open sewer is exactly how you like it.

Veritas Aequitas to commonsense wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:55 am To be fair, you'll need to do an objective appraisal of Trump's performance for the greater good of the USA on each of the policies you brought up rather than relying solely on personal preference [which is selfish].

Maybe you can show us how that's done -- being sure to examine and represent everything from all angles.

You seem to assume (unfairly) that a person's view is solely based on their personal preference. We're all exposed to (and have access to) a great deal of information that we can weigh and assess in order to consider varying impacts to humankind. It would be a mistake to think that someone who presents certain views of Trump has NOT considered anything else. Either there is truth in what is said, or there's not. If people had to present a full case study for everything they say, this forum would not exist.

But if you can show us how you think it should be done, then please do!

Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:11 amSuetonius demonstrates that your claim is false, since the most insane and inbred emperors such as Caligula led not to any sort of "rot" but led to an empire that went from strength to strength.

To repeat, Suetonius, who only wrote up to the 11th emperor, has nothing to do with it having lived when the Rome was at its height long before the end came.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:11 amYou might want to try GIbbon, since his analysis pointed to the adoption of Christianity as the failing of the empire, which made it ill prepared for centuries of Germanic expansion. Again very little to do with their choice of emperor.

You may want to try to read something more up to date. Gibbon's view of Christianity as the major culprit of Rome's decline has long been overhauled. If it had any effect it was the least compared to everything else that was happening during the decline period.

What is really stupid in this is that ALL I said was...

As in ancient Rome, which could easily survive a succession of incompetent half-insane emperors, but once the rot set in nothing could stop it from degenerating.

...which is true when reading histories of Rome's decline. There were a number of factors contributing to it from the outside but the main one was Rome's own internal corruption and incompetent leadership precisely at a time when such was critical. Also regarding the relationship between the Germanic tribes and the Romans one often has to wonder who the real barbarians were!

Interesting subject but there's only frustration in discussing anything with someone who can't tell the difference between a beginning, a middle and an end. It's like trying to communicate a thought to someone with a two-by-four nailed to his forehead. There's also no point in further encouraging you to fuck yourself since you've done that innumerable times without knowing it...not unlike what you know of history.