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Tesla wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:21 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:15 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:10 amReally because you just said God.

You play this word game for 5-year-olds again.

So there is no correlation between your changing faith in man and your changing faith in God?

No not really. I believed in humanity for 20 more years.

Take it up with those who translated it.

I don't have to, most people living in the 21st century are content with using the language of the 21st century.

lol you've read sophist by plato? What I like about Eod is that he is a prime example. The goal with him should be to attempt to get him to abandon sophistry and see what would happen if he was arguing for a truth instead of arguing to win. he has his value.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:24 am

Tesla wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:21 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:15 am
You play this word game for 5-year-olds again.


No not really. I believed in humanity for 20 more years.


I don't have to, most people living in the 21st century are content with using the language of the 21st century.

lol you've read sophist by plato? What I like about Eod is that he is a prime example. The goal with him should be to attempt to get him to abandon sophistry and see what would happen if he was arguing for a truth instead of arguing to win. he has his value.

He thinks he is mind controlling me into having this argument, which I will lose. But as usual I'm just entertaining myself / carrying out a psychological experiment about whether he can be made to see the light.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:25 am

You are God.
Some of us are simply more aware of it than others.

No other one can teach you what you already are. You are the teacher and the student simultaneously.

However, within the dream of separation, you are your name. The name artificially separates you from your real self. There is no way to avoid the dream role you are playing, for the dream is all there is, it's all you will ever KNOW.
You cannot know you are God because you already are God. God is ONE and ONE is everything and nothing simultaneously.

You cannot KNOW beyond what you already ARE.
So all teachings are the like ''lego bricks'' we use to build our dreams and realities out of.




“There is only one core issue for all psychology: Where does the ‘me’ begin? Where does the ‘me’ end? Where does the ‘other’ begin?” ~ James Hillman

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:25 am

You are God.
Some of us are simply more aware of it than others.

No other one can teach you what you already are. You are the teacher and the student simultaneously.

However, within the dream of separation, you are your name. The name artificially separates you from your real self. There is no way to avoid the dream role you are playing, for the dream is all there is, it's all you will ever KNOW.
You cannot know you are God because you already are God. God is ONE and ONE is everything and nothing simultaneously.

You cannot KNOW beyond what you already ARE.
So all teachings are the like ''lego bricks'' we use to build our dreams and realities out of.

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“There is only one core issue for all psychology: Where does the ‘me’ begin? Where does the ‘me’ end? Where does the ‘other’ begin?” ~ James Hillman

Tesla wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:30 am I understand. but apparently his fun is by believing he is teaching awareness of ignorance by besting one in argument. pretending to being blind deaf and dumb to every word you use. it can be exhausting. but hes good at it. which makes me wonder...what if he gave up that game and really joined in a discussion?

Tesla wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:30 amwhat if he gave up that game and really joined in a discussion?

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:40 am

Tesla wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:30 am I understand. but apparently his fun is by believing he is teaching awareness of ignorance by besting one in argument. pretending to being blind deaf and dumb to every word you use. it can be exhausting. but hes good at it. which makes me wonder...what if he gave up that game and really joined in a discussion?

That's where it gets interesting, he isn't actually a sophist, he isn't pretending. Apart from the stupid word games and mind games he thinks I'm falling for, he genuinely means what he says, because he's probably psychotic, and spent years creating a detailed worldview. He also has about 150 IQ or a little more.
I can take him in small doses for my experiments, he seems to have frontal lobe dysfunction which leads to an inability to differentiate between abstract and concrete thinking, and some more disorganized thinking. I'm testing whether someone with 150-160 IQ like him can be made to understand that all his thoughts are inherently malfunctioning. People with high enough IQs can sometimes get out of cognitive catch-22s, and maybe fix themselves, whereas everyone else with psychosis is pretty much doomed.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:43 am

Tesla wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:30 amwhat if he gave up that game and really joined in a discussion?

God cannot be put into words. God is ONE

Words divide, words are knowledge, and knowledge is the illusory dream of separation.

One knows God by just BEING. . but difficult to understand from words. In the same sense you cannot explain the taste of an orange to another person although you yourself know the taste. The other person has to taste that orange to know. It's the same with God.

Arguing with other people about how the other people know God is a futile and pointless exercise, and is why it will never be taught in schools. Informing scholars they do not exist as their name will not go down very well, it will cause conflict just as every debate about god does, it's already happening on this thread.

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Tesla wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:47 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:40 am

Tesla wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:30 am I understand. but apparently his fun is by believing he is teaching awareness of ignorance by besting one in argument. pretending to being blind deaf and dumb to every word you use. it can be exhausting. but hes good at it. which makes me wonder...what if he gave up that game and really joined in a discussion?

That's where it gets interesting, he isn't actually a sophist, he isn't pretending. Apart from the stupid word games and mind games he thinks I'm falling for, he genuinely means what he says, because he's probably psychotic, and spent years creating a detailed worldview. He also has about 150 IQ or a little more.
I can take him in small doses for my experiments, he seems to have frontal lobe dysfunction which leads to an inability to differentiate between abstract and concrete thinking, and some more disorganized thinking. I'm testing whether someone with 150-160 IQ like him can be made to understand that all his thoughts are inherently malfunctioning. People with high enough IQs can sometimes get out of cognitive catch-22s, and maybe fix themselves, whereas everyone else with psychosis is pretty much doomed.

interesting. perhaps he has bought into the idea that the world exists only in the realm of thought so completely he cannot trust anything to be real. That would mimic psychosis but be correctable through realization wouldn't it? assumed reality is real, evidence of many are taken by faith by necessity of mental health?

Tesla wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:33 am
what is a good definition for the idea of God? should it be taught in the classroom to look for God(s) through the scientific method?

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:53 am

Tesla wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:47 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:40 am
That's where it gets interesting, he isn't actually a sophist, he isn't pretending. Apart from the stupid word games and mind games he thinks I'm falling for, he genuinely means what he says, because he's probably psychotic, and spent years creating a detailed worldview. He also has about 150 IQ or a little more.
I can take him in small doses for my experiments, he seems to have frontal lobe dysfunction which leads to an inability to differentiate between abstract and concrete thinking, and some more disorganized thinking. I'm testing whether someone with 150-160 IQ like him can be made to understand that all his thoughts are inherently malfunctioning. People with high enough IQs can sometimes get out of cognitive catch-22s, and maybe fix themselves, whereas everyone else with psychosis is pretty much doomed.

interesting. perhaps he has bought into the idea that the world exists only in the realm of thought so completely he cannot trust anything to be real. That would mimic psychosis but be correctable through realization wouldn't it? assumed reality is real, evidence of many are taken by faith by necessity of mental health?

Yeah he believes in the Platonic world of pure forms, ideas (and mixes it with Buddhist forms). Plus he's doing drugs, so I suspect it's basically the combination of drug-induced psychosis + Platonism + high IQ where you think fast enough that the wheels come off easily.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:03 am

Tesla wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:33 am
what is a good definition for the idea of God? should it be taught in the classroom to look for God(s) through the scientific method?

You can only see God when you get out of your own way, you have to drop all your sub-selves, like your name, your gender, your qualifications as a certain role model, your status etc.

But who would want to do that? ..or you could just tell scholars that what they are looking for is what's already looking.

The problem with teaching God is God not in the world of otherness...except as a dreamt fictional character in this conception.

To teach God is to teach scholars to unlearn everything they have been taught originally in mainstream education.



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Tesla wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:05 am
uh...no. That is called brainwashing.

Tesla wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:21 am abandon sophistry and see what would happen if he was arguing for a truth instead of arguing to win.