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Age wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:51 pm Why do you want to know?

Is there some thing in particular that you want to discuss?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:27 am Please give us definitions for 'definition' and 'yes'.

Age wrote:
you are just the thoughts and feelings within a human body

This could be a definition of mind because without one one cannot have any thoughts or feelings
I know you make the claim you do not have a mind but to me that is what you have defined here

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:40 am

Age wrote:
you are just the thoughts and feelings within a human body

This could be a definition of mind because without one one cannot have any thoughts or feelings

If you say so, and insist is true, then that is what it IS.

Are you at all able to elaborate on when exactly this "mind" forms? "it" obviously has to be before any thoughts or feelings arise/emerge, but do you have any idea of when exactly?

Are you also able to explain how this "mind" actually forms, where "it" comes from, and/or even what "it" is exactly?

Are 'you' even able to explain how 'you' KNOW that if one does not have a "mind", then they can not have any thoughts or feelings? Do you even have any evidence for this?

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:40 amI know you make the claim you do not have a mind but to me that is what you have defined here

If that is what I have defined here, to you, and you do not want to clarify any thing else at all, then that is what it MUST BE, to you.

Reminder, you are basing the observation or phenomenon of 'that is what I HAVE defined here' solely up on your own past experiences, which is where you have gained all of YOUR other definitions and perspective of things from, which obviously may NOT be 100% true and right.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:35 am

Age wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:51 pm Why do you want to know?

Is there some thing in particular that you want to discuss?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:27 am Please give us definitions for 'definition' and 'yes'.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:51 pm

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:27 am Please give us definitions for 'definition' and 'yes'.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:51 pm Why do you want to know?

Is there some thing in particular that you want to discuss?

Age wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:17 am

Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:35 am

Age wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:51 pm Why do you want to know?

Is there some thing in particular that you want to discuss?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:27 am Please give us definitions for 'definition' and 'yes'.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:51 pm

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:27 am Please give us definitions for 'definition' and 'yes'.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:51 pm Why do you want to know?

Is there some thing in particular that you want to discuss?

YES!
I want to know because I want to discuss your particular definitions of 'definition' and 'yes'.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:27 am Please give us definitions for 'definition' and 'yes'.

Age wrote:
Remember you are basing the observation or phenomenon of that is what I HAVE defined here solely up on your own past experiences which is where you have gained all of YOUR other definitions and perspective of things from which obviously may NOT be I00 per cent right and true

I dont actually agree with this but again why dont you say it more often

If it is because you fear being misinterpreted then you are denying me the chance to truly understand what you are saying here
I actually thought you were saying one thing but now think you were saying something else entirely different but it is still good

I dont actually define just on my own past experiences for I also take from other minds more knowledgeable than my own tiny one
As I am not going to learn much if I am only listening to my own voice and not the voices of others who know so much more than me

Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:19 pm

Age wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:17 am

Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:35 am

Age wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:51 pm

YES!
I want to know because I want to discuss your particular definitions of 'definition' and 'yes'.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:27 am Please give us definitions for 'definition' and 'yes'.

One particular definition that I use for the words;

'yes', is an affirmation response. For example, exactly like how you could have used that same word here.

'definition', is a statement of a meaning of a word, usually found in dictionaries. For example, exactly like what you could have been searching for when you used the same word here.

Age wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:01 pm

Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:19 pm

Age wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:17 am

YES!
I want to know because I want to discuss your particular definitions of 'definition' and 'yes'.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:27 am Please give us definitions for 'definition' and 'yes'.

One particular definition that I use for the words;

'yes', is an affirmation response. For example, exactly like how you could have used that same word here.

'definition', is a statement of a meaning of a word, usually found in dictionaries. For example, exactly like what you could have been searching for when you used the same word here.

Thank you!

One last request, please. Could you give us your definition of 'meaning'?

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:52 pm

Age wrote:
Remember you are basing the observation or phenomenon of that is what I HAVE defined here solely up on your own past experiences which is where you have gained all of YOUR other definitions and perspective of things from which obviously may NOT be I00 per cent right and true

I dont actually agree with this but again why dont you say it more often?

1. It is not my goal to keep repeating things like this.
2. I would prefer to just provide all the evidence and proof for this, just once, instead.

3. I want to keep learning, so what exact part do you not agree with, and why?

I could gain the knowledge of why I should never repeat that ever again.

If it is because you fear being misinterpreted then you are denying me the chance to truly understand what you are saying here[/quote]

I do not at all see how what you said here logically follws on from the reason why I do not say the above more often.

Even if the reason was what you were assuming here, which it certainly is not by the way, I still do not see how the two are compatible.

Even if the reason why I do not say the above more often is because of what you assumed here, or not, how is, by just not re-repeating some thing over and over denying you the chance to truly understand what I am saying?

I would have thought that by not explaining in full detail WHY I said what I am saying, then I would be denying you the chance to truly understand what I am saying.

How could just saying the same thing more often help "others" to truly understand what it is that I am actually saying?

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:52 pmI actually thought you were saying one thing but now think you were saying something else entirely different but it is still good

Okay, that is fine.

But are you not at all interested in what the actual Truth is?

Curiosity, like openness, is unlimited in the very young of the human species, but sadly, just like with openness, curiosity also can diminish, to a point of no return. But luckily some do maintain, and replishness, both the innate curiosity and openness, which does exist in all human beings, but just can get so easily and to quickly lost, hidden, and forgotten. .

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:52 pmI dont actually define just on my own past experiences for I also take from other minds more knowledgeable than my own tiny one

How do you take from "others" if it is not on your own past experience?

To me, if you did not have some sort of past experience with "another", in one way or another, then you could not 'take' from them.

ALL interaction with "others" that has happened hrough discussions, communication, reading, writing, speaking, and listening is a past experience. The sum of ALL past experiences is who 'you're are now.

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:52 pmAs I am not going to learn much if I am only listening to my own voice and not the voices of others who know so much more than me

That is a very great point you make here, which the Correct answer could be found by answering the next clarifying question honestly and openly?

How could a human being learn any thing more or anew if they only listen to their own voice?

I have also alluded to the fact, once or a hundred times in this forum, that if one looks from the truly OPEN Mind perspective instead of looking from their own already held beliefs and assumptions perspective, then they cannot NOT stop learning, more and/or anew.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:17 pm

Age wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:01 pm

Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:19 pm
YES!
I want to know because I want to discuss your particular definitions of 'definition' and 'yes'.

One particular definition that I use for the words;

'yes', is an affirmation response. For example, exactly like how you could have used that same word here.

'definition', is a statement of a meaning of a word, usually found in dictionaries. For example, exactly like what you could have been searching for when you used the same word here.

Thank you!

One last request, please. Could you give us your definition of 'meaning'?

My definition for the word 'meaning' here now is what is meant behind the use of a word, text, concept, or action. For example, when I use the word 'Life' the meaning behind that word is living or being alive. Or, quite simply and easily put;

To me, the meaning of 'Life' is living, being alive.

But, obviously, not everyone used the same definition of the word 'meaning' as I do, in those days when this was written.

Age wrote:

surreptitious57 wrote:
If it is because you fear being misinterpreted then you are denying me the chance to truly understand what you are saying here

Even if the reason was what you were assuming here which it certainly is not by the way I still do not see how the two are compatible

Even if the reason why I do not say the above more often is because of what you assumed here or not how is by
just not repeating some thing over and over denying you the chance to truly understand what I am saying here

You fear being misinterpreted so there was no assumption on my part as that is what you actually said to me today in another thread
The reason why I would have wanted you to repeat it is so that I dont forget it but what did you think my reason was if it was not this

Age wrote:
How do you take from others if it is not on your own past experience

To me if you did not have some sort of past experience with another in one way or another then you could not take from them

ALL interaction with others that has happened through discussions - communication - reading - writing - speaking - listening is a past experience

You define past experiences different to how I would have before I actually read this but would still have understood what you meant though
But now that I have read it I agree with it but had you not explained it then I would be none the wiser with regard to what you originally said

Age wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:17 pm My definition for the word 'meaning' here now is what is meant behind the use of a word

That's difficult to make sense of. The dictionary says that 'meant' is the past tense of 'meaning'. So you are using 'meaning' to define itself.

Do you have another definition for 'meaning'?

Age wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:34 pmThese are your words:
Evidence is just evidence, it is not proof. which actually says nothing at all.

Well look, anything you see, hear, smell, taste or feel is evidence for something. Those experiences are unique to you. Even if someone else had exactly the same experiences, the chance of them interpreting it the same way is tiny. We're all trying to make sense of the things that happen to us. From what I gather, you want to discover whether some people interpret their experience in the same way you have. I'm sure that you could find like minded people, but to conclude that their agreement supports your own beliefs is called confirmation bias. If you cannot accept that your explanation of your experiences is just one of many possible explanations, you really need to grow up. Or seek help.

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:18 pm

Age wrote:

surreptitious57 wrote:
If it is because you fear being misinterpreted then you are denying me the chance to truly understand what you are saying here

Even if the reason was what you were assuming here which it certainly is not by the way I still do not see how the two are compatible

Even if the reason why I do not say the above more often is because of what you assumed here or not how is by
just not repeating some thing over and over denying you the chance to truly understand what I am saying here

You fear being misinterpreted so there was no assumption on my part as that is what you actually said to me today in another thread

I have no fear of repeating the same, already not misinterpreted, thing over and over. BUT, as I replied earlier when you asked; "Why dont you say it more often?"
The reason is because;
1. It is not my goal to keep repeating things like this.
2. I would prefer to just provide all the evidence and proof for this, just once, instead.

It would be when I want to provide all the evidence and proof for what I am saying that is when I fear being misinterpreted.

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:18 pmThe reason why I would have wanted you to repeat it is so that I dont forget it but what did you think my reason was if it was not this

I did not think of why you wanted me to do this. This is because I do not like to assume any thing. I was just answering your clarifying question as though you asked it from a truly OPEN perspective.

But now that I KNOW why you asked me, why do I not say it more often? Then I would just like to make it known that if you had just said some thing like; 'Would you say that more often so that I do not forget it', THEN, NO assuming at all would have taken place anywhere, nor would have even needed to be. NO me answering from some perspective you never imagined, NO unnecessary writings, which led to further wondering and question, NO need for you to ask me what I was thinking/assuming, and NO the things else other than me just fully understanding what you were saying and actually meaning.

There would also be NO need for me to go back now, because I have forgotten it, and look for what it was that I exactly said, which you ultimately just wanted me to repeated it more often so you do not forget it.

Essentially, adult human beings LOOK AT things not from a truly OPEN perspective without any assumptions about what is already true and right, which ALL very young human beings do, but rather older human beings LOOK AT things based on assumptions of what is already true and right.

I call this way of LOOKING, 'APE', making Assumptions based on Previous Experiences. In evolution ape is also the old way human beings did things. LOOKING AT things while ASSUMING you know what is true and right, to me, is the old way of doing things "correctly".

The reason new and more truer knowledge takes so long to come to light or be revealed is because it is kept in the dark or sealed in assumptions and beliefs. The Truth is hidden within. The reason why it took so long for the earth revolves around the sun newer and more truer knowledge to come to light and be revealed to some, is because those some where still LOOKING AT things from the Assumption and Belief that they already KNEW what was right and true.

The same thing applies in these days of when this is written. Some people Assume and Believe that the Universe began, so they only LOOK AT things and FRIM this perspective only.

From Past Experiences they were taught that these things are right and true, so they base every thing else on these Assumptions, which come from Past Experiences.