An Analogy, From Physical To Mind

[surreptitious57]

When that body was born there was a complete openness within it but sadly that openness become slowly closed
Although an openness may be slowly becoming more open again it is obvious that that openness is not as open as it once was previously

This needs to be repeated as many times as possible especially the first sentence
Is there any specific reason as to why you do not say this very often on the forum

[surreptitious57]

because you do not want to look at anything other than what you keep on insisting is true

Is this really true or are you merely assuming it is true because if it is true then where is your actual evidence
Why not just show me something other than what I think is true so that we can discuss it openly in this thread
I might not accept it but by having the chance to actually see it I could then disprove the claim that you made

[Age]

You even know what the very thing stopping you is

The first step to attaining self improvement is to acknowledge ones weaknesses which I have done

Why not admit your wrong doings first?

Could that not be a first step to attaining self improvement?

By the way what are your weaknesses?

Are they any different from all other human beings?

For by doing this can one become a better human being though it will always be a work in progress

'Better' in what way?

If human beings are limited, as you profess they are, then really how could they exactly become better?

[surreptitious57]

By the way what are your weaknesses ? Are they any different from all other human beings ?

Some human beings will have the same weaknesses as me and some will have different ones
But I am only interested in my own as the weaknesses of others is a matter for them not me

[surreptitious57]

If human beings are limited as you profess they are then really how could they exactly become better ?

Can human beings not become better if their limitations are not absolute ?
As they can become better then it would indeed be true do you not think ?

[Age]

When that body was born there was a complete openness within it but sadly that openness become slowly closed
Although an openness may be slowly becoming more open again it is obvious that that openness is not as open as it once was previously

This needs to be repeated as many times as possible especially the first sentence
Is there any specific reason as to why you do not say this very often on the forum

Now,
On first read I sensed sarcasm/ridicule.
On second read I sensed maybe it is meant.
On third read I sensed unsure.

But, without asking a clarifying question and just replying, but please correct me if I read it wrong, the specific reason I do not say this often is because I am not here to give my perspective of what is true and right in Life, but rather I am just here, in this forum, to find a way to express in an easily understood way about; IF a particular process is tried, then whatever answers you, yourself, get during that process do those answers match up with the answers "others" get?

In other words I want to find out if the answers I came to are the same answers as what "others" would arrive at, by and for themselves.

I am learning, through trial and error, a way to express a way that the Truth of things can be seen by one's self, but I do not like to express what I see as the Truth of things. I would rather like to discover if "others" see the same Truth or not, from their own perspective, and that they did this all by their own selves. After all I will never really know if what I see as the Truth of things is actually true and right, if I have some how influenced the outcome.

But maybe what I read on my first read was more correct and you really did not mean for me to provide a specific answer to your clarifying question?

[surreptitious57]

I remember that first sentence being said before but only once and so this is only the second time I have seen it said
I would never say such a thing myself because it would never even occur to me to say it but what a thing it is to say

[surreptitious57]

I am not here to give my perspective of what is true and right in Life

I want to find out if the answers I came to are the same answers as what others would arrive at by and for themselves

What is actually stopping you from giving your perspective on Life other than you do not want to ? Because you could if you really had to ?
Why is it important for you to know if your answers are the same as those of others just as long as they are as true as you can make them ?

[Age]

because you do not want to look at anything other than what you keep on insisting is true

Is this really true or are you merely assuming it is true because if it is true then where is your actual evidence

What I said was not directed at any one person.

The answer to; if this is really true or not, can be found in the truly honest and open answer, 'you' give, to the question;

If what you insist/believe is true was not, then would you REALLY want to hear or see it?

My actual evidence for this is also in the truly honest answers that are provided by 'you' to the following questions;

Would you really be looking for any thing other than what you already insist/believe is true?

Because really, would you even be insisting/believing some thing is true, if it was NOT true?

If you KNEW some thing was not true, then would you even want to look at it?

You would ONLY insist/believe 'that', which IS true, because you would not insist/believe 'that', which is not true, correct?

It could be absolutely ANY thing that you are insisting or believing is true, but really would you want to look at any thing other than 'that'?
If yes, then why?

If you were looking at, or considering, some thing else as being true, then WHY insist/believe the first thing is true, in the beginning, (whatever 'it' may be)?

If you are already set on (insisting/believing) some thing being true, then, really, what purpose is there to look at, or for, any thing else?

Why not just show me something other than what I think is true so that we can discuss it openly in this thread

The main reason is because a human being is not truly open to looking at any thing other than what they insist is already true.

But I am more than willing to do this. You will, however, have to be completely honest with me. That is all I ask for here.

Only 'you' KNOW what you think is true, so what are some of the things that you think are true? Then I can see if I agree with them or not.

Also, the more you think they are true, then the better they will become for examples.

I might not accept it but by having the chance to actually see it I could then disprove the claim that you made

Besides me saying that there is only one Mind, whereas you keep insisting by continually saying there are many minds, which are each the cognitive capability of the human being, I am not sure how else I can just show you some thing other than what you think is true.

There was really no use in me continuing any further before when you just kept on insisting that there are human minds.

If you do not ask clarifying questions to "another", then that shows a lack of interest in what they are saying. And, if what I said is true about people not wanting to look at any thing other than what they are insisting is already true, then it would not matter how much evidence or proof is put in front of them, they are just not open to it.

This phenomenon can clearly be seen in any discussion involving a one-or-other perspective. like for example; If God exists or not, free-will or determinism, nature or nurture, chicken or egg, evolution or creation. The True, Right, and Correct answers to ALL of these issues can be so simply and so easily found, and resolved so quickly IF, and only IF, people are OPEN to thee Truth of things, which one is there is NOT two sides of the discussion. People have just made up one-or-another side, chose one or the other, and then either think or believe one "side" is right, and so only fight for, and thus only look at that one, supposed, "side". This, incorrect, way of behaving and looking at things is NOT the fault of the adult human being, as this way of doing things is a result of being taught to mis/behave that way from growing up in childhood through a so called "education system", which taught them how to 'debate', which obviously involves picking a "side" and fighting for it, till the death, some might add. This win OR lose way of mis/behaving became, what you might call, a "mind set", but which I would call just 'a particular way of incorrect thinking', and misbehaving. This "behavior" just keeps going on, being taught and learned, in an unknowing or subconscious way.

But anyway I digress, again, back to if you would like to provide some examples of what you think is true, so that I can just show you some thing other than that.

[Age]

By the way what are your weaknesses ? Are they any different from all other human beings ?

Some human beings will have the same weaknesses as me and some will have different ones

So, there are NO weaknesses that ALL human beings share?

I would have thought being a 'limited being' would be at least one very obvious weakness that ALL of that species shares?

But I am only interested in my own as the weaknesses of others is a matter for them not me

Okay, but this interest in your own weaknesses does not extend to the sharing of them with "others", am I correct?

Also, as an adult human being, therefore holding the actual responsibility for a fair amount of other human beings, then I would have thought meant that the weaknesses of those other, less fortunate or less responsible, ones would be a matter for the more fortunate and
more responsible ones. But I could be completely or partly wrong here?

[Age]

I remember that first sentence being said before but only once and so this is only the second time I have seen it said

Okay, understood.

I would never say such a thing myself because it would never even occur to me to say it but what a thing it is to say

Honestly I do find this hard to take. I am not sure if it is sarcasm/ridicule or acceptance/acknowledgement, or some thing else.

Some times when perceived ridiculous/stupid things are said a reply such as; "I would never say such a thing myself because it would never even occur to me to say it but what a thing it is to say" could be made.

I hope you can see and understand what I mean. To me what you wrote could be sarcasm or meant. I really do not know, without clarification I really am unsure. (Being unsure is maybe one of my weaknesses?)

In this forum I am continually referred to as insane, an idiot, et cetera and ridiculed quite often, so this identity begins to form 'as is' in me. I then begin to wonder more what is being said in replies to me, so I am not exactly sure how to take what you said. I KNOW you do not refer to me, openly, as being any of those thing. But, honestly, I start to wonder how exactly my words are being taken.

Because I am slow and simple I really do like to take every word literally. If I do not clarify, then I can misunderstand all to easily, which I am obviously doing here.

If you are agreeing with what I said about; 'When that body was born there was a complete openness within it but sadly that openness become slowly closed', then I can expand on it tremendously so that it is fully understood, without any doubt. Or, if you disagree with it, then I can elaborate on it completely so that it is again, without any doubt, fully understood, also.

If you would like to proceed with this we can, otherwise, we can just leave it, as it is?

[Age]

I am not here to give my perspective of what is true and right in Life

I want to find out if the answers I came to are the same answers as what others would arrive at by and for themselves

What is actually stopping you from giving your perspective on Life other than you do not want to ?

Fear of being misinterpreted and/or misunderstood.

I fear being misjudged.

Because you could if you really had to ?

Very true.

But to express a perspective on one thing and explain it in a way so that it is fully understood I need to be able to express and explain fully a previous perspective on some thing else, and to explain that in a way so that that one is fully understood, then I need to be able to express and explain fully a previous perspective on some thing, and so on and so forth.

This forum is certain not the place where all of this can be achieved.

Why is it important for you to know if your answers are the same as those of others just as long as they are as true as you can make them ?

This is NEVER about "making" any thing true. The Truth can hold up and speak for Its own Self.

Why it is important for me to know if the answers, which I stumbled across, are the same answers of and for ALL "others" is because it is only then that I will KNOW if I have the True, Right, and Correct answers or not. Until then ALL of "my answers" could be completely or partly false, wrong, and/or incorrect.

My views, which I want to share, are based on it is only 'THAT', what is agreed upon and accepted by ALL, which is ONLY what IS really and actually True, Right, and Correct.

[surreptitious57]

If you are already set on insisting / believing some thing being true then really what purpose is there to look at or for any thing else ?

You can never actually change my mind unless you truly challenge me and show me where I am wrong from your perspective
Now you love to be challenged but it would seem you do not like to challenge others so much from what you have said here

[surreptitious57]

Besides me saying that there is only one Mind whereas you keep insisting by continually saying there are many minds which are each
the cognitive capability of the human being I am not sure how else I can just show you some thing other than what you think is true

There was really no use in me continuing any further before when you just kept on insisting that there are human minds

Your opinion was that there was no use in continuing any further but even if I still disagreed with you the conversation could have carried on
You cannot have a conversation with another human being if they decide that they want to end it because in their opinion it is going nowhere

[surreptitious57]

If you do not ask clarifying questions to another then that shows a lack of interest in what they are saying ?

I have told you before that I do not have the mental energy to ask as many clarifying questions as you actually would want me to
This is why I ask so few of them but that in no way suggests I am not interested in what you are saying for that is simply not true